<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field --> <!--X-From-R13: "Ybfgre, Dncu" <exbfgreNbevtva.rn.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:01:46 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 11A17AA2B9EAD111BCEA00A0C9B4179303D6DFE3#molach,origin.ea.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, RE: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00628.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00629.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00628.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00634.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00626">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00626">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00626">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>RE: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: "'<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>'" <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: RE: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Koster, Raph" <<A HREF="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:41:35 -0600</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Cynbe ru Taren said: > I think that this problem (storage of objects that are being hoarded or > otherwise stored away, outside of common day-to-day usage) can be solved on > the technology side of things. Design IS technology. :) Meaning, virtually every problem associated with mud design is a design issue as well as a technology issue, and vice versa. > This is surely a problem for a system that > attempts to load the entire DB into memory. A disk-based system wouldn't > have this problem. Sure it would. It just has different consequences. Any way you slice it, it is to an admin's advantage to minimize footprint in memory and on disk. > A log-structured would appear to be potentially beneficial here as only > changes would need to be saved, making incremental backups much easier. > That introduces a few extra issues: collapsing the logs, etc, but those are > all well researched. This would may not be a good solution for all of the > database needs as the log files could end up being far larger than the usual > DB files, if the objects were involved in frequent state changes. There's also speed issues. > Another potential solution might be to use separate databases for varying > types of classes of objects. In this way, you can store things like homes > in a separate DB which has a set of policies aimed at providing a more > optimal storage strategy. Yep. -Raph _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00628.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00629.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fair/Unfair? 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Scenarios (fwd)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#cp,net">claw#cp,net</a>, Thu 25 Nov 1999, 00:51 GMT </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>