<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO --> <!--X-From-R13: Xbrl Vrff <wbrlNxvgrarg.arg> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:39:50 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 19991119140854.R25847@kitenet.net --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 16201972205211@alternaterealitynet.com --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.4.03.9911191149470.8398-100000@andru.sonoma.edu --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:joey@kitenet.net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00412.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00415.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00404.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00438.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00413">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00413">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00413">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Joey Hess <<A HREF="mailto:joey#kitenet,net">joey#kitenet,net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:08:54 -0800</LI> <LI><em>Mail-Followup-To</em>: mud-dev#kanga,nu</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>User-Agent</em>: Mutt/1.0i</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Andru Luvisi wrote: [ Seveal interesting problems of MOO. ] > Moo doesn't have any builtin mapping/associative array/hash table type. <plug>Though perlmoo does.</plug> > All verbs (aka functions) run with the permissions of their owner unless > the owner is a wizard and the function changes it's permissions. This is > like having *all* programs you ever write be setuid. I much prefer the > recently developed stack based security model used by many LP muds, where > by default you can only do something if *every* object on the call stack > has the permissions to do it. You have to do extra work to be insecure. > On MOO, you have to do extra work to be secure. A classic mistake is to > have function A call function B, where function A drops privs, but > function B doesn't check who called it, so if an unpriveleged programmer > calls function B directly, function B runs with wiz privs. I agree, I've never been comfortable with LambdaMOO's security model. The stack based model sounds very intelligent to me, can you elaborate on it a bit? Are there any gotchas associated with it? > MOO doesn't have a preprocessor. Opinions are varied on whether this is a > good thing or a bad thing. Personally, I like having a preprocessor. If you mean something to preprocess a user's input, this could be added to the appropariate method of the base character class. (Perlmoo has a preprocessor added in exactly this way.) -- see shy jo _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00438" HREF="msg00438.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Andru Luvisi <luvisi@andru.sonoma.edu></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00394" HREF="msg00394.html">[MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Ilya, Game Commandos" <Ilya@gamecommandos.com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00404" HREF="msg00404.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Andru Luvisi <luvisi@andru.sonoma.edu></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00412.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00415.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00404.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00438.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00413"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00413"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Admins as Mortals twist</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00448" HREF="msg00448.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Admins as Mortals twist</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo@best.com">diablo@best.com</a>, Mon 22 Nov 1999, 20:14 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00407" HREF="msg00407.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Mud hosting services</A></strong>, gunderwood <a href="mailto:gunderwood@donet.com">gunderwood@donet.com</a>, Fri 19 Nov 1999, 20:35 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00394" HREF="msg00394.html">[MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, Ilya, Game Commandos <a href="mailto:Ilya@gamecommandos.com">Ilya@gamecommandos.com</a>, Fri 19 Nov 1999, 18:27 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00404" HREF="msg00404.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, Andru Luvisi <a href="mailto:luvisi@andru.sonoma.edu">luvisi@andru.sonoma.edu</a>, Fri 19 Nov 1999, 20:30 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00413" HREF="msg00413.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, Joey Hess <a href="mailto:joey@kitenet.net">joey@kitenet.net</a>, Sat 20 Nov 1999, 00:39 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00438" HREF="msg00438.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, Andru Luvisi <a href="mailto:luvisi@andru.sonoma.edu">luvisi@andru.sonoma.edu</a>, Mon 22 Nov 1999, 18:55 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00447" HREF="msg00447.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller@classic-games.com">gmiller@classic-games.com</a>, Mon 22 Nov 1999, 20:14 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00405" HREF="msg00405.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, Dan Root <a href="mailto:dar@thekeep.org">dar@thekeep.org</a>, Fri 19 Nov 1999, 20:30 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00414" HREF="msg00414.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, Joey Hess <a href="mailto:joey@kitenet.net">joey@kitenet.net</a>, Sat 20 Nov 1999, 00:39 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>