<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev request rejected --> <!--X-From-R13: Uert [vyyre <tzvyyreNpynffvp-tnzrf.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:25:35 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 3839A69D.19B85289@classic-games.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: E11pznU-00052v-00@kanga.nu --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev request rejected</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:gmiller@classic-games.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00448.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00451.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00498.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00490.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00450">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00450">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00450">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev request rejected</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev request rejected</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Greg Miller <<A HREF="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:25:01 -0600</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Dan Root wrote: > [Ilya:] > >Are there obvious (or less obvious) restrictions or catches or > >gotchas which should direct one away from serious exploration? > > One significant flaw in MOO is it's use of an entirely memory based > system for persistence. A large MOO can easily be 80 to 200 Megs in > memory. TrekMOO and Lambda both claim those sorts of figures. How much of > this bloat could be avoided is debatable, but the point remains that this > can be a serious drawback for using MOO in a environment where growth is a > significant meta-goal of the game. See the list archives for various > debates on memory versus disk-based games. JCL made a particularly > informative and persuasive post during one such discussion. I recently ran across an article linked from news.com discussing a study on memory vs. disk performance. They found that databases designed to be kept entirely in RAM were at least an order of magnitude faster than disk-based databases that had sufficient RAM available to keep the entire database in cache. Of course, the catch here is that MUDs typically use custom databases rather than a general-purpose DBMS and may not be subject to similar degrees of difference. Anyone else see that article and still have the address? -- <A HREF="http://www.classic-games.com/">http://www.classic-games.com/</A> Conspiracy theorists mistakenly assume others think before acting. *** Please limit .sigs to four lines and avoid HTML mail or posts. *** _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00490" HREF="msg00490.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev request rejected</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> J C Lawrence <claw@cp.net></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00448.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Admins as Mortals twist</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00451.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] (no subject)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00498.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] FAQ for gm-types?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00490.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev request rejected</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00450"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00450"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] FAQ for gm-types?</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00501" HREF="msg00501.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] FAQ for gm-types?</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw@cp.net">claw@cp.net</a>, Thu 25 Nov 1999, 00:04 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00507" HREF="msg00507.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] FAQ for gm-types?</A></strong>, Christopher Allen <a href="mailto:ChristopherA@skotos.net">ChristopherA@skotos.net</a>, Thu 25 Nov 1999, 04:08 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00472" HREF="msg00472.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] FAQ for gm-types?</A></strong>, Charles Hughes <a href="mailto:charles.hughes@bigfoot.com">charles.hughes@bigfoot.com</a>, Wed 24 Nov 1999, 02:49 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00498" HREF="msg00498.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] FAQ for gm-types?</A></strong>, Mik Clarke <a href="mailto:mikclrk@attglobal.net">mikclrk@attglobal.net</a>, Wed 24 Nov 1999, 22:18 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00450" HREF="msg00450.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev request rejected</A></strong>, Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller@classic-games.com">gmiller@classic-games.com</a>, Mon 22 Nov 1999, 20:25 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00490" HREF="msg00490.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev request rejected</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw@cp.net">claw@cp.net</a>, Wed 24 Nov 1999, 20:32 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00424" HREF="msg00424.html">[MUD-Dev] Public Domain Client</A></strong>, Ian Macintosh <a href="mailto:iman@issystems.co.nz">iman@issystems.co.nz</a>, Sun 21 Nov 1999, 01:14 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00432" HREF="msg00432.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Public Domain Client</A></strong>, Mik Clarke <a href="mailto:mikclrk@attglobal.net">mikclrk@attglobal.net</a>, Sun 21 Nov 1999, 22:18 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00444" HREF="msg00444.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Public Domain Client</A></strong>, Jeremy Music <a href="mailto:rezo@lords.com">rezo@lords.com</a>, Mon 22 Nov 1999, 18:55 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>