<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game") --> <!--X-From-R13: Pnygunmnne/Pnygu[GDB <onyguzhecNzrqvnbar.arg> --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:13:57 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 3.0.5.32.19991115123421.00846100#pop,ce.mediaone.net --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: A538153C8E25D11192FA00805F15959502612589@JETHRO --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.SOL.3.91.991111171229.24816G-100000#fermi,micro.ti.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the ga</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:balthmurp#mediaone,net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00252.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00255.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00223.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00254.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00253">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00253">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00253">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Balthazaar/BalthMURP <<A HREF="mailto:balthmurp#mediaone,net">balthmurp#mediaone,net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:34:21 -0600</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> At 05:13 PM 11/11/99 -0600, Holly Sommer wrote: >On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Sellers, Michael wrote: > >> And, to return to the previous discussion, if a bug is known and someone >> repeatedly uses it to their own advantage, well, they deserve whatever they >> get in the end. > >What I've done in the past is plant an outrageous item somewhere near the >person's logout room, as a test. If they exploit it, it'll have some >undocumented features about it, which might result in a freeze or >something. > >-Holly Assuming I was not aware that the admins had planted it there, I would pick up the item without a second thought. I would have figured that some careless individual misplaced it there and consider myself fortunate to find it before anyone else. If I later find another one there (if it's unique or extremely rare), I would report it as a bug. If I continue to find these on a consistent basis, I would report it as a bug. However, for the first instance, it's not exploitation and it's definitely not a bug, and I would consider the admins as oppressive (or moreso) as the Nazi Regime in Germany during WWII if I suffered any of the "undocumented" features similar to the freeze and probably leave, unless of course it has been stated that the item was 'buggy' and should not exist in the game world (in which case I wouldn't have picked it up to begin with, and would have reported a possible bug). Otherwise, I see no difference from the example listed and that of changing the stats of a simple short sword just to see if any of the players notice and report it. As a player, I would view it as the admins tweaking around with balancing the game and probably not mention it (unless I could kill some ultra-buff mobile in one blow). Balthazaar _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00254" HREF="msg00254.html">Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Holly Sommer <hsommer#micro,ti.com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00221" HREF="msg00221.html">bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Sellers, Michael" <MSellers#maxis,com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00223" HREF="msg00223.html">Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Holly Sommer <hsommer#micro,ti.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00252.html">[MUD-Dev] New FAQ moderator</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00255.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Random numbers (was: Physics)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00223.html">Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00254.html">Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00253"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00253"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00238" HREF="msg00238.html">[MUD-Dev] RE: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game" )</A></strong>, Charles Hughes <a href="mailto:charles.hughes#bigfoot,com">charles.hughes#bigfoot,com</a>, Fri 12 Nov 1999, 23:51 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00233" HREF="msg00233.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] ColdC/ColdCore</A></strong>, Bruce Mitchener, Jr. <a href="mailto:bruce#puremagic,com">bruce#puremagic,com</a>, Fri 12 Nov 1999, 18:23 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00221" HREF="msg00221.html">bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></strong>, Sellers, Michael <a href="mailto:MSellers#maxis,com">MSellers#maxis,com</a>, Thu 11 Nov 1999, 23:05 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00223" HREF="msg00223.html">Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></strong>, Holly Sommer <a href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</a>, Thu 11 Nov 1999, 23:18 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00253" HREF="msg00253.html">Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></strong>, Balthazaar/BalthMURP <a href="mailto:balthmurp#mediaone,net">balthmurp#mediaone,net</a>, Mon 15 Nov 1999, 19:13 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00254" HREF="msg00254.html">Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></strong>, Holly Sommer <a href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</a>, Mon 15 Nov 1999, 20:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00258" HREF="msg00258.html">Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></strong>, Balthazaar/BalthMURP <a href="mailto:balthmurp#mediaone,net">balthmurp#mediaone,net</a>, Tue 16 Nov 1999, 02:37 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00225" HREF="msg00225.html">Re: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 11 Nov 1999, 23:49 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00228" HREF="msg00228.html">RE: bugs (was RE: [MUD-Dev] players who "take away from the game")</A></strong>, Charles Hughes <a href="mailto:charles.hughes#bigfoot,com">charles.hughes#bigfoot,com</a>, Fri 12 Nov 1999, 08:14 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>