<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO --> <!--X-From-R13: "Pehpr [vgpurare, Xe." <oehprNcherzntvp.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:15:22 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 013e01bf36b7$79b0acc0$7101a8c0@howdy.cybersight.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:bruce@puremagic.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00485.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00489.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00408.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00509.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00486">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00486">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00486">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Bruce Mitchener, Jr." <<A HREF="mailto:bruce#puremagic,com">bruce#puremagic,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:07:03 -0800</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> J C Lawrence wrote: >On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:24:30 -0800 (PST) >bruce <bruce#puremagic,com> wrote: >> That said, I'm moving on from Cold to something newer. > >To whit? Others have asked this in private mail as well. I'm looking to move to a server based on the TOM language, <A HREF="http://www.gerbil.org/tom/">http://www.gerbil.org/tom/</A>. I'm unhappy with Cold/Cool/MOO for a number of reasons: * Scalability - threading, SMP. * Extensibility within the language -- no new datatypes, etc. Why is this not part of the libraries? * Arbitrary nature of DB vs. core boundary * Lack of integration with native libraries * Inability to easily convert to native code (can't afford to interpret everything) * Persistence is too tied into the language rather than a library, which means that I can't modify the persistence scheme(s) easily. * Lots of other stuff as well. Miro started this project and I got sucked into it. Neither of us have been saying a whole lot, as little code exists and designs are barely there and vapor is rather dull. I'm trying to pick up my participation again and get things to where it could be used for a system within a couple of months hopefully. Help and thoughts are always appreciated. License will be open, like Cold, although probably LGPL for many pieces. - Bruce _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00509" HREF="msg00509.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Miroslav Silovic <silovic@zesoi.fer.hr></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00485.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Depth of realism</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00489.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Admins as Mortals twist</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00408.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00509.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00486"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00486"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: about MOO</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00426" HREF="msg00426.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: about MOO</A></strong>, Gevan <a href="mailto:shanos@es.co.nz">shanos@es.co.nz</a>, Sun 21 Nov 1999, 01:14 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00422" HREF="msg00422.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, maddog <a href="mailto:maddog@best.com">maddog@best.com</a>, Sat 20 Nov 1999, 02:39 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00423" HREF="msg00423.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw@cp.net">claw@cp.net</a>, Sat 20 Nov 1999, 03:18 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00408" HREF="msg00408.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, Laurent Bossavit <a href="mailto:bossavit@cybercable.fr">bossavit@cybercable.fr</a>, Fri 19 Nov 1999, 20:44 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00486" HREF="msg00486.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, Bruce Mitchener, Jr. <a href="mailto:bruce@puremagic.com">bruce@puremagic.com</a>, Wed 24 Nov 1999, 20:15 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00509" HREF="msg00509.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] about MOO</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic@zesoi.fer.hr">silovic@zesoi.fer.hr</a>, Thu 25 Nov 1999, 21:41 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00398" HREF="msg00398.html">[MUD-Dev] (no subject)</A></strong>, Michael Seifert <a href="mailto:ms@pentia.dk">ms@pentia.dk</a>, Fri 19 Nov 1999, 18:27 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00421" HREF="msg00421.html">[MUD-Dev] (no subject)</A></strong>, Ilya, Game Commandos <a href="mailto:Ilya@gamecommandos.com">Ilya@gamecommandos.com</a>, Sat 20 Nov 1999, 02:06 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00429" HREF="msg00429.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] (no subject)</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc@ix.netcom.com">jlsysinc@ix.netcom.com</a>, Sun 21 Nov 1999, 01:14 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>