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<LI><em>From</em>: Matthew Mihaly <<A HREF="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:43:18 -0800 (PST)</LI>
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On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Mik Clarke wrote:
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> And there lies the difference between reality and a game. Games are
> things people do for fun. They invest a part of their leisure fun in
> participating in the world. They should have the opportnity to
> survive (they don't have to take it and it certainly shouldn't be
> forced on them, but it should be there). This is more like the players
> being in a story where the hero might look behind the rocks or turn
> back when they saw the rune of death - or they might not. This is
> the players decision and they need that degree of control over their
> fate (even more so in a permadeath game). Those who play carefully
> and pay attention should be able to survive - those who do not end up
> as a red smear. Unwarned of insta-death rooms deny the intelligent
> players the chance of survival (yes, the inn might be miles away,
> but it should be hard to get to te mine without going past the inn).
> Inescapable areas are just bad design - the player should be either
> dead or able to escape (or maybe be rescued by someone with less
> than divine powers). Getting trapped is a real pain if you don't
> have a recall ability - if the mud also doesn't do death from
> starvation/thirst then the only way to return the character to play
> is through direct divine intervention - which spoils the sense of
> belief in the world. Role playing someone trapped forever in a small
> dark cave is fun for about 5 seconds...
Unless you are in a permadeath game, getting trapped in a death trap does
not entail not surviving. It's simply a setback (either minor or major),
and players quickly realize this.
--matt
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00530" HREF="msg00530.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd)</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw@cp.net">claw@cp.net</a>, Mon 06 Dec 1999, 23:33 GMT
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Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo@best.com">diablo@best.com</a>, Tue 07 Dec 1999, 00:27 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00533" HREF="msg00533.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd)</A></strong>,
Richard Ross <a href="mailto:rross@rross.eurobell.co.uk">rross@rross.eurobell.co.uk</a>, Tue 07 Dec 1999, 00:27 GMT
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Mik Clarke <a href="mailto:mikclrk@attglobal.net">mikclrk@attglobal.net</a>, Wed 08 Dec 1999, 21:22 GMT
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Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo@best.com">diablo@best.com</a>, Wed 08 Dec 1999, 21:48 GMT
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Dundee <a href="mailto:SkeptAck@antisocial.com">SkeptAck@antisocial.com</a>, Wed 08 Dec 1999, 22:20 GMT
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Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo@best.com">diablo@best.com</a>, Thu 09 Dec 1999, 02:01 GMT
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Raph & Kristen Koster <a href="mailto:koster@eden.com">koster@eden.com</a>, Thu 09 Dec 1999, 16:01 GMT
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