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<LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:bruce#puremagic,com">bruce#puremagic,com</A></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:45:05 -0800 (PST)</LI>
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On November 15, 1999, "Laurent Bossavit" <laurent#netdive,com> wrote:
> As my quest for the perfect M* server design continues (I've been a
> deep lurker on the list for over one year, though some of you might
> remember my interest at one time in porting LambdaMOO to Java (done,
> but not the panacea I hoped)) I am more and more convinced that the
> crucial parts are the underlying (implementation) and visible (world-
> building) languages - ideally both being the same.
Very much a familiar story! Main difference is that I'm coming from the
ColdC camp rather than the MOO side, but they aren't that different at all
really.
> A lot of the issues M* server designers and implementors struggle
> with are in fact active areas of programming language research. These
> are in approximate order of importance (for M* writers!)
> - distributed processing support (for large worlds)
> - concurrent processing support (for reactive worlds)
> - object orientation (for modular worlds)
> - object persistence (as in MOO)
> - run-time mutability (aka dynamic recompilation, as in MOO/ColdC)
> - reflective capabilities (so programs can modify themselves)
> - security (to enable in-game access to world code by 'wizards')
>
> If we assume a language with the above properties, writing a M*
> driver is almost trivial. A thin layer of network code will handle
> client connections; a command parser will probably provide the most
> challenging exercise in low-level programming, writing core
> character/monster/item classes would almost belong to the 'world
> design' category.
I agree with all of those things above, although I'm of the opinion that
with a good language, a number of them can be relegated to the libraries
rather than being integral to the language. One thing I didn't like about
Cold was that too many things were integral to the language, and often,
there was at least one instance in which that made things extremely
painful.
> If you agree (or disagree) with the above assessment, or have
> pointers to languages which would make good candidates for
> implementing a M* server, please speak up. ;)
I like TOM (as do a few other people who will speak up if they feel like
it, but can remain anonymous if they prefer). Info on TOM can be found at
<A HREF="http://www.gerbil.org/tom/">http://www.gerbil.org/tom/</A>
Once I've found motivation to do anything outside of work beyond sleep,
TOM is what I'm planning on using to write a new server.
- Bruce
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00270" HREF="msg00270.html">[MUD-Dev] Matrix</A></strong>,
Laurent Bossavit <a href="mailto:laurent@netdive.com">laurent@netdive.com</a>, Tue 16 Nov 1999, 21:19 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00266" HREF="msg00266.html">[MUD-Dev] Library news</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw@cp.net">claw@cp.net</a>, Tue 16 Nov 1999, 05:12 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00259" HREF="msg00259.html">[MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>,
Laurent Bossavit <a href="mailto:laurent@netdive.com">laurent@netdive.com</a>, Tue 16 Nov 1999, 02:37 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00264" HREF="msg00264.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>,
Joey Hess <a href="mailto:joey@kitenet.net">joey@kitenet.net</a>, Tue 16 Nov 1999, 03:46 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00268" HREF="msg00268.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>,
bruce <a href="mailto:bruce@puremagic.com">bruce@puremagic.com</a>, Tue 16 Nov 1999, 05:49 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00288" HREF="msg00288.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>,
Ian Macintosh <a href="mailto:iman@issystems.co.nz">iman@issystems.co.nz</a>, Wed 17 Nov 1999, 16:31 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00299" HREF="msg00299.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>,
Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller@classic-games.com">gmiller@classic-games.com</a>, Wed 17 Nov 1999, 21:24 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00324" HREF="msg00324.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>,
Ian Macintosh <a href="mailto:iman@issystems.co.nz">iman@issystems.co.nz</a>, Wed 17 Nov 1999, 23:48 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00308" HREF="msg00308.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>,
Laurent Bossavit <a href="mailto:bossavit@cybercable.fr">bossavit@cybercable.fr</a>, Wed 17 Nov 1999, 21:25 GMT
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