<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers --> <!--X-From-R13: "Wna [npvagbfu" <vznaNvfflfgrzf.pb.am> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:31:10 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 000601bf30c0$74df2b60$0201a8c0@granite --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: E11nY0E-0006Ai-00#kanga,nu --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:iman#issystems,co.nz"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00286.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00291.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00268.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00299.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00288">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00288">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00288">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Ian Macintosh" <<A HREF="mailto:iman#issystems,co.nz">iman#issystems,co.nz</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:56:14 +1300</LI> <LI><em>Importance</em>: Normal</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> > Laurent Bossavit > > As my quest for the perfect M* server design continues > (I've been a > deep lurker on the list for over one year, though some > of you might > remember my interest at one time in porting LambdaMOO > to Java (done, > but not the panacea I hoped)) I am more and more > convinced that the > crucial parts are the underlying (implementation) and > visible (world- > building) languages - ideally both being the same. > > A lot of the issues M* server designers and > implementors struggle > with are in fact active areas of programming language > research. These > are in approximate order of importance (for M* writers!) > - distributed processing support (for large worlds) > - concurrent processing support (for reactive worlds) > - object orientation (for modular worlds) > - object persistence (as in MOO) > - run-time mutability (aka dynamic recompilation, as > in MOO/ColdC) > - reflective capabilities (so programs can modify themselves) > - security (to enable in-game access to world code by > 'wizards') Hi Laurent. I know LambdaMOO very well, and from your comment re Java conversion, I presume you do to. What about it doesn't fit your list? Distributed processing support can be handled by running multiple processes and interconnecting them. I've always thought that this is a better way of handling large systems and a large number of users. ie, segment areas (zones) onto different servers and link them. I'm not sure of what you are refering to when you say concurrent processing support? I understand the term, but I don't understand the context re reactive worlds? Perhaps you could also elaborate reflective capabilities? Regards, Ian Macintosh. _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00308" HREF="msg00308.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> "Laurent Bossavit" <bossavit#cybercable,fr></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00299" HREF="msg00299.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Greg Miller <gmiller#classic-games,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00259" HREF="msg00259.html">[MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Laurent Bossavit" <laurent#netdive,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00286.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] code base inquiry</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00291.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] code base inquiry</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00268.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00299.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00288"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00288"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00266" HREF="msg00266.html">[MUD-Dev] Library news</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#cp,net">claw#cp,net</a>, Tue 16 Nov 1999, 05:12 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00259" HREF="msg00259.html">[MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>, Laurent Bossavit <a href="mailto:laurent#netdive,com">laurent#netdive,com</a>, Tue 16 Nov 1999, 02:37 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00264" HREF="msg00264.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>, Joey Hess <a href="mailto:joey#kitenet,net">joey#kitenet,net</a>, Tue 16 Nov 1999, 03:46 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00268" HREF="msg00268.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>, bruce <a href="mailto:bruce#puremagic,com">bruce#puremagic,com</a>, Tue 16 Nov 1999, 05:49 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00288" HREF="msg00288.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>, Ian Macintosh <a href="mailto:iman#issystems,co.nz">iman#issystems,co.nz</a>, Wed 17 Nov 1999, 16:31 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00299" HREF="msg00299.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>, Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Wed 17 Nov 1999, 21:24 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00324" HREF="msg00324.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>, Ian Macintosh <a href="mailto:iman#issystems,co.nz">iman#issystems,co.nz</a>, Wed 17 Nov 1999, 23:48 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00308" HREF="msg00308.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>, Laurent Bossavit <a href="mailto:bossavit#cybercable,fr">bossavit#cybercable,fr</a>, Wed 17 Nov 1999, 21:25 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00350" HREF="msg00350.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Languages for MUD drivers</A></strong>, Ian Macintosh <a href="mailto:iman#issystems,co.nz">iman#issystems,co.nz</a>, Thu 18 Nov 1999, 07:34 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>