<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field --> <!--X-From-R13: "Quneyrf Vhturf" <puneyrf.uhturfNovtsbbg.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:56:42 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 00fb01bf47ff$921bef00$9f822b9b#commnet,edu --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 11A17AA2B9EAD111BCEA00A0C9B4179303D6DFCD#molach,origin.ea.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:charles.hughes#bigfoot,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00604.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00610.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00605.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00611.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00606">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00606">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00606">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Charles Hughes" <<A HREF="mailto:charles.hughes#bigfoot,com">charles.hughes#bigfoot,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:47:40 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Raph Koster wrote: > > J C Lawrence wrote: > > > stash. Its rather sad that UOL's limited world size and population > > density simply prevent hiding of objects in obscure locations. > > No, it isn't. It's a blessing, in that it means we can tackle the problem > with a localized solution targeted at house storage. Because the real > problem is database bloat. It's what has always brought full world-state > muds to their knees, and UO is no exception, suffering from long backup > times, huge backup sizes, and lower responsiveness because of gigabytes > worth of useless crap stored away in houses. Don't underestimate just how > much people want to keep around that serves no valid game purpose. Being > able to stash it somewhere where it won't be found isn't going to help you > the admin any. :) When I'm playing (not UO, but other muds) I really like the exploring aspect. Finding rare items (a blue rose, a spinning top, etc) is a lot of fun - nobody is really hunting for the item, it has no in-game purpose, and it's only there to add flavor. After I get a rare item, I tend to keep it until I'm forced to give it up or I give it away as a present. Sure, it's worthless crap, but it allows some roleplaying. So, as one of those people who likes to hoard, may I offer an alternative? If an item serves no valid game purpose, then making it easily available but with a very short decay if not in a player's direct possession, is a better way of handling the item. IMO, of course. There is, of course, another way - the group object. This has probably been discussed to death here. Just an object that claims it is "a dozen eggs", "a pile of coins", "about a hundred longswords". Database storage for multiple identical items is reduced to simply storage for one item with a counter. Of course, the downside is that you have to be able to handle such objects. _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00620" HREF="msg00620.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Timothy Dang <tdang#U,Arizona.EDU></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00611" HREF="msg00611.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Matthew Mihaly <diablo#best,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00605" HREF="msg00605.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Koster, Raph" <rkoster#origin,ea.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00604.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00610.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00605.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00611.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00606"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00606"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00512" HREF="msg00512.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 26 Nov 1999, 20:57 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00513" HREF="msg00513.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 26 Nov 1999, 21:20 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00603" HREF="msg00603.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Thu 16 Dec 1999, 04:18 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00605" HREF="msg00605.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 16 Dec 1999, 17:31 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00606" HREF="msg00606.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong>, Charles Hughes <a href="mailto:charles.hughes#bigfoot,com">charles.hughes#bigfoot,com</a>, Thu 16 Dec 1999, 20:56 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00611" HREF="msg00611.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Thu 16 Dec 1999, 22:15 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00633" HREF="msg00633.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#cp,net">claw#cp,net</a>, Fri 17 Dec 1999, 01:29 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00635" HREF="msg00635.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 17 Dec 1999, 04:04 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00620" HREF="msg00620.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The grass is always greener in the other field</A></strong>, Timothy Dang <a href="mailto:tdang#U,Arizona.EDU">tdang#U,Arizona.EDU</a>, Fri 17 Dec 1999, 00:21 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>