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<LI><em>From</em>: James Wilson &lt;<A HREF="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</A>&gt;</LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:45:57 -0400</LI>
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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, J C Lawrence wrote:
&gt;On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:20:08 -0400 
&gt;Hal Black&lt;hal#moos,ml.org&gt; wrote:
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&gt;&gt; On Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 02:31:19PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I have an LP background.
&gt;
&gt;Knowing a little of the background data of our subscriber list, the
&gt;membership appear to be almost evenly spread between the
&gt;DIKU/LP/Tiny-* camps.  While I haven't done a breakdown against who
&gt;has posting authority, I wouldn't be surprised if the DIKU camp pips 
&gt;ahead there as (and this is supported by Usenet) they appear to be
&gt;more vocal.
&gt;
&gt;Note: I don't fall into the DIKU, LP, or the Tiny-* camps.  If
&gt;anything, and this is equally misleading, I'm an Aber recluse.  

I also am 'none of the above'. (I hate them all - not their engines, 
their aesthetics. But nobody asked, so I'll shut up.)

&gt;&gt;   I think this issue ties in tightly with the education issue.  If
&gt;&gt; there is a means for people to read good, organized articles about
&gt;&gt; the state of the art, as opposed to reading threads and trying to
&gt;&gt; follow the issue, then I think this does a lot for bringing
&gt;&gt; everyone up to speed (myself included).  I would love to see
&gt;&gt; something like a MUD 101 textbook (electronic, of course), which
&gt;&gt; would be self-contained - given knowledge of procedural and
&gt;&gt; object-oriented programming.  I know it would certainly be a good
&gt;&gt; resource for me.  
&gt;
&gt;There have been several thread summaries made by list members
&gt;(Marian, Lambert, etc) which have been posted to the list.  I will
&gt;be getting these up on the web, but suitable archive searches may be 
&gt;useful ITMT.  
&gt;
&gt;Other than that -- want to start writing such a 101 text?.

I volunteer to assist with any such effort. You also mentioned the
various scenarios:

&gt; It would be great if someone undertook the task of collecting a list 
&gt; of the various scenarios, their names, the reasons for their 
&gt; existance, their solutions, the weaknesses of their solutions etc..

This, as well as a '101' or 'Mud Programming Encyclopedia', would
be quite useful. They could (should) also be cross-refenced back to the
list archives, pointing to relevant threads.

Should such a thing live on kanga.nu itself? Or would it be better to 
put it elsewhere? I have access to some space on a stable web 
server, but I don't think they provide anything beyond the basic 
access (e.g. searches would be nice).

&gt;&gt; Another benefit I find is when someone says something succinctly
&gt;&gt; or puts a label on something, which in turn brings together a lot
&gt;&gt; of loose ideas that I had been thinking about previously into a
&gt;&gt; coherent whole.  
&gt;
&gt;I'm sure Koster would appreciate assistance in collecting such
&gt;'laws' in cogent form.  

maybe we can add this to the '101' project .

&gt;J C Lawrence                               Internet: claw#null,net
&gt;(Contractor)                               Internet: coder#ibm,net
&gt;---------(*)                     Internet: claw#under,engr.sgi.com
&gt;...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...

what exactly does this "Teamer's" stuff mean anyways?

James


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<LI><strong><A NAME="01115" HREF="msg01115.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</A></strong>, 
Joel Kelso <a href="mailto:joel#ee,uwa.edu.au">joel#ee,uwa.edu.au</a>, Wed 23 Sep 1998, 01:44 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01116" HREF="msg01116.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</A></strong>, 
Adam J. Thornton <a href="mailto:adam#phoenix,Princeton.EDU">adam#phoenix,Princeton.EDU</a>, Wed 23 Sep 1998, 02:14 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01122" HREF="msg01122.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</A></strong>, 
Hal Black <a href="mailto:hal#moos,ml.org">hal#moos,ml.org</a>, Wed 23 Sep 1998, 03:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01165" HREF="msg01165.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 23 Sep 1998, 22:31 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01169" HREF="msg01169.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</A></strong>, 
James Wilson <a href="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</a>, Thu 24 Sep 1998, 00:15 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01193" HREF="msg01193.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 24 Sep 1998, 17:57 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01172" HREF="msg01172.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</A></strong>, 
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 24 Sep 1998, 00:41 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01174" HREF="msg01174.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Thu 24 Sep 1998, 02:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01176" HREF="msg01176.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</A></strong>, 
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 24 Sep 1998, 04:25 GMT
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