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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</A></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:54:34 -0400 (EDT)</LI>
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On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt wrote:
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> On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Dan Shiovitz wrote:
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> > On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Jon A. Lambert wrote:
> > > On 7 Aug 98, Dan Shiovitz wrote:
[... voting, etc ...]
> You could set up the judgement as well at the penalties to be an
> in-game-context event, even though you perhaps would have to
> short-circuit some of the cause/effect feature you may have build in
> the game to ensure the effectiveness of such a system. As an example
> (in a mideval-like scenario) you would have the town elders set up a
> meeting hearing the evidence, etc, sentencing a player to 2 weeks
> (realtime) of jail (removing their ability to communicate with anyone
> who is not actually visiting them, limiting their movement around the
> game to the jail cell). Ofcause for this to be effective, (and it have
> to, otherwise you have not really solved any problem), the criminal
> should more often than not actually end up in jail. Here perhaps you
> need to short circuit some of the rules of cause/effect so that
> atleast the 'criminal' gets his punishment. Something like a message
> the next time the person logs on: "During you sleep, some guards came
> and threw you in jail" (or something more elaborate, but to exactly
> the same effect). Such forcing of things are ofcause not desired if
> you aim at a "realistic" game environment, but the alternative is that
> the entire process is out of game-context. You could try to implement
> it in a more realistic procedure (such as the guards actually showing
> up and dragging off with the criminal, but you still need to make sure
> that punishment is more often than not, is measured out. Also you
> need to set up in-game concepts for other out of game-context
> penalties such as banning and deletion. As an example banning could be
> "the casting of a spell that banish all souls with origin in a
> specific plane or dimension", probably requireing the aid of a higher
> being such as a god or its vatar (enter exciting description here),
> deletion (in a game that implement easy or atomatic resurrection)
> could be explaind away as some major banishment of a given soul. All
> this ofcause take some carefull planning and tying in with all the
> concepts of the game, but i feel that perhaps it is not that hard to
> hide the administration context inside the game-context.
The only real problem I have with this idea is that it blurs the lines
betwixt In-Game action/reactions and Out-Of-Game action/reactions. A
hockey player who kills someone doesn't get 5 minutes in the penalty box.
An out of game action should result in an out of game response. By
bluring the lines, you remove the abstraction that the game _must_ provide
to be a game.
-Greg
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00550" HREF="msg00550.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>,
Dan Shiovitz <a href="mailto:dbs#cs,wisc.edu">dbs#cs,wisc.edu</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 02:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00552" HREF="msg00552.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 04:27 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00557" HREF="msg00557.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>,
Dan Shiovitz <a href="mailto:dbs#cs,wisc.edu">dbs#cs,wisc.edu</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 07:48 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00560" HREF="msg00560.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>,
Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt <a href="mailto:hhs#cbs,dtu.dk">hhs#cbs,dtu.dk</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 11:45 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00587" HREF="msg00587.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>,
s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Sun 09 Aug 1998, 17:58 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00555" HREF="msg00555.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>,
T. Alexander Popiel <a href="mailto:popiel#snugharbor,com">popiel#snugharbor,com</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 05:40 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01049" HREF="msg01049.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 16 Sep 1998, 20:03 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00192" HREF="msg00192.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Mon 13 Jul 1998, 18:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00200" HREF="msg00200.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>,
Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</a>, Tue 14 Jul 1998, 07:13 GMT
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