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<H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</H1>
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<LI><em>To</em>: "'<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>'" <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: "Koster, Raph" <<A HREF="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:09:36 -0500 </LI>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maddy [SMTP:maddy#fysh,org]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 11:00 AM
> To: mud-dev#kanga,nu
> Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun
>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Koster, Raph wrote:
> > You get the idea. FWIW, in UO we used to have guards who were called
> by
> > players, said call heard by an NPC, were created offscreen, walked
> to
> > the point of the incident, announced their intention to stop the
> fight,
> > and attacked the two players if the fight didn't go away
> immediately.
> > And players ran LOOPS around 'em. So now they teleport to the guy
> and
> > slay 'em in one blow.
>
> Thats essentially how I'd like NPCs guards to work - most NPCs will be
> created "off screen" as and when they're needed. It seems that rather
> than
> trying to fix the "bug" that let players have an unfair advantage in
> combat,
> you reversed the imbalance by making the guards superpowerful.
>
Yep. But we chose that route (we actually got to that state in easy
stages) because protection of the newbie was paramount. And those guards
were the line of defense.
> See - a clear example of me not explaining myself properly. *8(
> Sure it could be particular players, thats the whole idea - players
> who want
> to be guards should be guards. Buffy the tailor shouldn't have to
> turn into
> a pyschotic killing machine to protect her shop. If no-one wants to
> be a
> guard, the game should make up the numbers.
>
Couldn't agree more. :) Currently, UO does not support recognizing
player settlements in the wilderness as "towns" (and there's a host of
design issues related to adding said support) but we do plan on it. And
once we do, we'll open this can of worms in a big way. There are
currently something like a dozen or so plauer-built cities in UO, some
quite large. If there is interest, I can supply a list of URLs.
> No, the standards are set by the rulers of the city/kingdom/whatever.
> This
> maybe an NPC, or it maybe a player who managed to get elected.
> Indirectly
> the admin/coders have provided a set of rules by which the NPCs
> "think", but
> I'm planning on making NPCs use a subset of these to make them not all
> alike.
>
Nice--not easy to make work in a social sense, but nice. :) Sort of what
we'd like to do as well.
> >
> > They do if that guard you expected to be there isn't, and a roving
> > warband comes in and ruins your carefully constructed roleplay
> event.
>
> No. That just means when you planned the event you didn't take into
> account
> all the possible outcomes.
>
I was speaking player-run roleplay events, which are quite common in the
UO player-run cities...
> > I suspect we are speaking at cross-purposes here. I was talking
> about an
> > environment where players are building governments, setting their
> own
> > laws, and there is a considerable amount of freedom. You seem to be
> > assuming a fairly high level of admin/code governance...
>
> Actually I'm not. I can't remember how much I've stated about what
> kind of
> game I'm aiming for (mostly cos I've not been "around" much lately)
> but what
> I'm aiming for is a game where players _or NPCs_ are building
> governments,
> setting their own laws etc. The admin, namely myself and er...well
> it's
> just me, won't need to get in and prod NPCs to do things. I want to
> create
> a game where NPCs do more than just get killed and actually create a
> fun
> environment that players can join.
>
Forgive me then, *I* was speaking at cross-purposes not knowing where
you were coming from. it actually sounds like we are taking extremely
similar approaches to the problem.
-Raph
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00011" HREF="msg00011.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 20:12 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00049" HREF="msg00049.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 06 Jul 1998, 18:26 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00738" HREF="msg00738.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sat 15 Aug 1998, 17:46 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00010" HREF="msg00010.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 19:50 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00030" HREF="msg00030.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 02 Jul 1998, 01:12 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00033" HREF="msg00033.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 02 Jul 1998, 17:33 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00158" HREF="msg00158.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Sat 11 Jul 1998, 00:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00245" HREF="msg00245.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Sat 18 Jul 1998, 00:45 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00034" HREF="msg00034.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 02 Jul 1998, 19:40 GMT
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