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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Modular MUD [Was:Finer points of Telnet progra</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:32:23 -5</LI>
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On 25 Aug 98, Adam J. Thornton wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 1998 at 06:03:05PM -0700, Caliban Tiresias Darklock
> wrote:
> > "Doctor, it hurts when I do this..." Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't
> > stray pointers something you shouldn't have in the first place? Every
> > argument I've heard for W9x being a bad platform comes down to "If you
> > screw up, bad things happen". Well, call me arrogant, but I say just don't
> > screw up.
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> I'm not smart enough to write real programs without screwing up.
> And I like it when my mistakes don't make me have to reboot, and I
> just get "Segmentation Violation [core dumped]", and then I can
> debug using the core file and my executable, and realize that I
> passed in the value stored at some place rather than its address, or
> something like that.
Nod. I also screw up often and I get the exact same error, except
a dialog box pops up that says a "A page-fault exception has occurred
at 0x0cfe004e in kernel32.exe". Then I click the just-in-time
debugging button and my source window, assembly pane and call stack
window pop up. Double-click on the last function called on the
stack and usually the offending source line is staring me in the
face. Ah, but I simplify, I usually try to code more devious and
subtle pointer errors. ;)
> And with a modular, extensible framework, where you can't
> necessarily control the quality of the code being run, well, I'd be
> really wary of running it in an environment that didn't rigorously
> enforce process isolation.
Well... I'm not inclined to venture into debugging the libs or dlls
supplied with my OS or compiler. I don't have access to the source
code nor do I have the time to fix their code. I'd rather send the
vendor some hate E-mail and demand they supply a workaround or fix
for the problem.
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00858" HREF="msg00858.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Modular MUD [Was:Finer points of Telnet programming ...]</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 26 Aug 1998, 12:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00859" HREF="msg00859.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Modular MUD [Was:Finer points of Telnet programming ...]</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 26 Aug 1998, 12:58 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00860" HREF="msg00860.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Modular MUD [Was:Finer points of Telnet programming ...]</A></strong>,
pomales <a href="mailto:pomales#caip,rutgers.edu">pomales#caip,rutgers.edu</a>, Wed 26 Aug 1998, 13:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00865" HREF="msg00865.html">[MUD-Dev] Scripting:was Modular Mud</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 27 Aug 1998, 05:37 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00853" HREF="msg00853.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Modular MUD [Was:Finer points of Telnet progra</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 26 Aug 1998, 04:32 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00872" HREF="msg00872.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Modular MUD [Was:Finer points of Telnet programming ...]</A></strong>,
Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <a href="mailto:asmodai#wxs,nl">asmodai#wxs,nl</a>, Sun 30 Aug 1998, 14:57 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00876" HREF="msg00876.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Modular MUD [Was:Finer points of Telnet programming ...]</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00847" HREF="msg00847.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Modular MUD [Was:Finer points of Telnet progra</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00851" HREF="msg00851.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Modular MUD</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 26 Aug 1998, 04:23 GMT
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