<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction --> <!--X-From-R13: X Q Znjerapr <pynjNhaqre.rate.ftv.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:13:34 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199807240009.RAA02863#under,engr.sgi.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 35A2F910.A3EEDF0D#wxs,nl --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00324.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00326.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00072.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00327.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00325">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00325">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00325">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:09:14 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 06:44:01 +0200 Asmodai <Jeroen> wrote: > When developing a Multi-User Environment, do you find knowledge of > how operating systems work handy? "Extremely useful," would probably be the term I'd use. Its not essential as the design challenges and considerations of OS'es and server s and applications overlap significantly. That said, in my early days I did a lot of reading of Tanenbaum's Minix books to good effect. > I mean, as far as I see it now, a lot of status flags, Inter Proces > Communication and user interoperability resembles the way modern > operating systems work. Bingo, as well as state preservation, process model, scheduling, deadlock prevention, process synchonisation, event models, etc. > I am currently delving into the book Modern Operating Systems 2nd > Ed. by Andrew S. Tanenbaum and find many similiarities between mud > operations and Operating Systems. Any thoughts on this matter? Utterly agreed. FWLIW the early days of Shades saw it as an OS command shell as versus an application. He didn't *quite* replace the OS kernel and supports, but got close to it.. > Also, which books are recommended to start with network programming, > preferably TCP/IP based and for C/C++. I like the Steven's TCP/IP books, but also hear good things about Comer's (which I haven't looked at in detail). There are also a variety of pretty good web sites on the area (do a search on the MUD-Dev archives, I psoted an extensive list recently). On the C/C++ side it really depends on where you are coming from. I start with K&R for C and went straight to Strousup for C++ (not a generally recommended route), so can't comment terribly well there -- tho I do like Pohl's C++ books. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------(*) Internet: claw#under,engr.sgi.com ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00327" HREF="msg00327.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Caliban Tiresias Darklock <caliban#darklock,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00072" HREF="msg00072.html">[MUD-Dev] An Introduction</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai#wxs,nl></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00324.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00326.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00072.html">[MUD-Dev] An Introduction</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00327.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00325"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00325"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Monthly FAQ Posting</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00151" HREF="msg00151.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Monthly FAQ Posting</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Fri 10 Jul 1998, 16:14 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00703" HREF="msg00703.html">[MUD-Dev] Monthly FAQ Posting</A></strong>, Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Thu 13 Aug 1998, 13:29 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00980" HREF="msg00980.html">[MUD-Dev] Monthly FAQ Posting</A></strong>, Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Mon 07 Sep 1998, 17:27 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00072" HREF="msg00072.html">[MUD-Dev] An Introduction</A></strong>, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <a href="mailto:asmodai#wxs,nl">asmodai#wxs,nl</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 04:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00325" HREF="msg00325.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Fri 24 Jul 1998, 00:13 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00327" HREF="msg00327.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Fri 24 Jul 1998, 01:09 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00328" HREF="msg00328.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction</A></strong>, Adam J. Thornton <a href="mailto:adam#phoenix,Princeton.EDU">adam#phoenix,Princeton.EDU</a>, Fri 24 Jul 1998, 02:16 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00800" HREF="msg00800.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Sat 22 Aug 1998, 01:52 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00803" HREF="msg00803.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: An Introduction</A></strong>, Adam J. Thornton <a href="mailto:adam#phoenix,princeton.edu">adam#phoenix,princeton.edu</a>, Sat 22 Aug 1998, 02:53 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>