<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: what's fun? --> <!--X-From-R13: X Q Znjerapr <pynjNhaqre.rate.ftv.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:12:36 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199807011711.KAA03421#under,engr.sgi.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199806280620_MC2-5186-63C4#compuserve,com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: what's fun?</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00002.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00004.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00027.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00046.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00003">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00003">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00003">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: what's fun?</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: what's fun? </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:11:19 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:19:23 -0400 Richard Bartle<76703.3042#compuserve,com> wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:21:52 -0700 J C Lawrence > <claw#under,engr.sgi.com> Wrote: >> Mike Sellers<mike#bignetwork,com> wrote: >>> Does it all come back to Bartle's suits? >> Nahh, that merely attempts to classify goals. > Excuse me? Less of the "merely", please... At the level of the discussion, that of defining "what is fun", my comment would seem accurate. > That paper attempts to get MUD designers (among others) to think > about player dynamics rather than going in blindly. Furthermore, it > proffers advice as to how to adjust these dynamics. You may disagree > with any or all of it, but it doesn't "merely" attempt to classify > goals. Yes, your paper does do more than merely classify goals, however those extra values don't seem pertinent to an attempt to define "fun" on a MUD level. They are pertinent as you say to building a "fun" game, just not to defining "fun" itself. Its a question of focus. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------(*) Internet: claw#under,engr.sgi.com ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00002.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00004.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00027.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00046.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: what's fun?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00003"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00003"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00326" HREF="msg00326.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Fri 24 Jul 1998, 00:25 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00093" HREF="msg00093.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 20:06 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00008" HREF="msg00008.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></strong>, Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 19:39 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00027" HREF="msg00027.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Thu 02 Jul 1998, 00:32 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00003" HREF="msg00003.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: what's fun?</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 17:12 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00046" HREF="msg00046.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: what's fun?</A></strong>, Richard Bartle <a href="mailto:76703.3042#compuserve,com">76703.3042#compuserve,com</a>, Fri 03 Jul 1998, 07:58 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00000" HREF="msg00000.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Maddy <a href="mailto:maddy#fysh,org">maddy#fysh,org</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 16:01 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00001" HREF="msg00001.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 16:57 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00002" HREF="msg00002.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Mike Sellers <a href="mailto:mike#bignetwork,com">mike#bignetwork,com</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 17:07 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>