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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: lurker emerges</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Vadim Tkachenko &lt;<A HREF="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</A>&gt;</LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:56:57 -0500</LI>
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Chris Gray wrote:
&gt; 
&gt; [Vadim Tkachenko:]
&gt; 
&gt; [Double buffering:]
&gt; 
&gt;  &gt;I could be wrong, but I wish it rest in piece - it was a performance
&gt;  &gt;tuning nightmare. Either your I/O theread hogs all the resources looping
&gt;  &gt;idle, waiting for the input, or it lags because of the wrong priority
&gt;  &gt;set or bad timing.
&gt;  &gt;
&gt;  &gt;For me, the blocking I/O and a possibility to interrupt it (exceptions)
&gt;  &gt;is a blessing.
&gt;  &gt;
&gt;  &gt;Comments, anyone?

[acknowledged, skipped]

&gt; In general, the lack of proper asynchonous I/O is one of my strongest
&gt; complaints about UNIX.

Would it change the perception if I say I forgot to mention that the
only case I accept even the blocking I/O is in a thread dedicated to
reading/writing the data? I guess, it may be considered as anvanced
asynchronous I/O - I can process the data I read/write in the same
thread I read/write it.

Generally, what is it about, I guess, is half-sync/half-async design
pattern described in the document reference to which was posted by Alex
Oren (Design patterns for concurrent, parallel and distributed systems)
- THANKS, Alex, it was great.

Other thought is - how often do you need the *DUMB* asynchronous I/O - I
mean, without a possibilty to process the data, as (if I remember it
right) it happens in WinNT API? I've been working with that API for
quite a while and honestly don't remember myself actively using it.

&gt; Chris Gray     cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA

-- 
Still alive and smile stays on,
Vadim Tkachenko &lt;vt#freehold,crocodile.org&gt;
--
UNIX _is_ user friendly, he's just very picky about who his friends are


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<LI><strong><A NAME="00600" HREF="msg00600.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: lurker emerges</A></strong>, 
James Wilson <a href="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</a>, Sun 09 Aug 1998, 23:54 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00603" HREF="msg00603.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: lurker emerges</A></strong>, 
T. Alexander Popiel <a href="mailto:popiel#snugharbor,com">popiel#snugharbor,com</a>, Mon 10 Aug 1998, 02:19 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00602" HREF="msg00602.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: lurker emerges</A></strong>, 
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Mon 10 Aug 1998, 02:18 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00612" HREF="msg00612.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: lurker emerges</A></strong>, 
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Mon 10 Aug 1998, 05:28 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00614" HREF="msg00614.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: lurker emerges</A></strong>, 
Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Mon 10 Aug 1998, 05:57 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01055" HREF="msg01055.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: lurker emerges</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 17 Sep 1998, 00:57 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01058" HREF="msg01058.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: lurker emerges</A></strong>, 
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 17 Sep 1998, 02:19 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01059" HREF="msg01059.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: lurker emerges</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Thu 17 Sep 1998, 06:32 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00582" HREF="msg00582.html">[MUD-Dev] Fw: lurker emerges</A></strong>, 
James Wilson <a href="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</a>, Sun 09 Aug 1998, 15:26 GMT
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