<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch --> <!--X-From-R13: [ngg Qunggreyrl <znggNzcp.qla.zy.bet> --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:47:07 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: XFMail.980810114544.matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Content-Type: multipart/signed --> <!--X-Reference: 45760210#lostics,demon.co.uk --> <!--X-Derived: pgp00001.pgp --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00622.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00624.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01048.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00532.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00623">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00623">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00623">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Matt Chatterley <<A HREF="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:45:44 -0000 (GMT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 06-Aug-98 Ross Nicoll wrote: > Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt wrote in a Mail about "[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] > Starting from scratch": > >>>2. I would like to be able to attach muds to the server as nodes. To be >>>honest, this was an idea that sounded cool, but I figure that there >>>would be >>>more control gained this way. If the node were to crash/reboot then >>>connections would be kept and added to a queue for when the mud >>>restarts. > > So the player gets "the game is down, please wait" ? > Reminds me of a thought I had for my MUD. The MUD, whenever we change > anything > in the code (it's a Diku style MUD, most of the stuff is in code), obviously > has to go through a reboot. I was wandering about having the data for > connections written out with the database (with sanity checking on load, of > course, incase something goes wrong after the database is saved), then have > the server load the new binary over itself with one of the exec() functions. > > The player would get "The server is rebooting, please wait" or similar... PennMUSH provides an '@shutdown/reboot' feature, which does just this kind of thing (for seamlessly upgrading to changed binaries, when you patch the server to a newer version, and so forth). Nifty. I was looking at something similar myself, but decided it wasn't worth the effort - my reboot stuff is rigged to attempt to reboot itself when noone is online (and the required minimum time has elapsed); if it goes to an upper threshold point where it 'must' reboot, it will do so, giving a few minutes grace to any online players. Why bother with this? SImply because its really annoying to get punted by reboots; its not hard to take small measures to try and time them into the off hours (most Muds do this manually anyway - why not go one small hop further?) --- -Matt Chatterley <A HREF="http://user.itl.net/~neddy/">http://user.itl.net/~neddy/</A> "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.." -John Lennon (Imagine) </PRE> <P><A HREF="pgp00001.pgp" >PGP signature</A></P> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00519" HREF="msg00519.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Ross Nicoll" <rnicoll#calmar-mud,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00622.html">[MUD-Dev] RE: Question regarding Java threads</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00624.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: after the plague: mud report</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01048.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00532.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00623"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00623"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00533" HREF="msg00533.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></strong>, Ross Nicoll <a href="mailto:rnicoll#calmar-mud,com">rnicoll#calmar-mud,com</a>, Thu 06 Aug 1998, 19:43 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00524" HREF="msg00524.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Thu 06 Aug 1998, 16:56 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00534" HREF="msg00534.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></strong>, Ross Nicoll <a href="mailto:rnicoll#calmar-mud,com">rnicoll#calmar-mud,com</a>, Thu 06 Aug 1998, 19:43 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01048" HREF="msg01048.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Tue 15 Sep 1998, 23:34 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00623" HREF="msg00623.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Mon 10 Aug 1998, 10:47 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00532" HREF="msg00532.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#mail,angel.com">adam#mail,angel.com</a>, Thu 06 Aug 1998, 18:26 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00520" HREF="msg00520.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></strong>, Ross Nicoll <a href="mailto:rnicoll#calmar-mud,com">rnicoll#calmar-mud,com</a>, Thu 06 Aug 1998, 15:20 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01010" HREF="msg01010.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Fri 11 Sep 1998, 02:34 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01018" HREF="msg01018.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [IDEAS] Starting from scratch</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Fri 11 Sep 1998, 18:34 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>