<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's --> <!--X-From-R13: "Tryvk O. Qebrf" <sryvkNkf1.fvzcyrk.ay> --> <!--X-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:24:16 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199807121317.PAA01192#xs1,simplex.nl --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:felix#xs1,simplex.nl"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00181.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00183.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00180.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00497.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00182">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00182">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00182">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Felix A. Croes" <<A HREF="mailto:felix#xs1,simplex.nl">felix#xs1,simplex.nl</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:17:11 +0200 (MET DST)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Jason Goodwin <wgoodwin#iquest,net> wrote: > At 02:56 PM 7/11/98 +0200, Felix Croes wrote: >[...] > >This sort of thing would be much more difficult if public key > >encryption is used to authenticate the server: > > Yes, but someone _will_ break the code, and then it might as well > not even be there since its only result is to slow things down. Whoever is going to try to break RSA or ElGamal: good luck to them. > Or even better, just reverse engineer the client to remove the > check. It is futile, and ultimately adds nothing to the game. I disagree. First off, requiring users to patch their client (or download a new one) before they can login on a clone server stops a large amount of them right there -- these are the same people who don't know how to upgrade their BIOS for Windows 98. Second, the UO client is not a static product that you have to hack only once. It is automatically upgraded to fix bugs and track server changes. Third-party hacks on the client either have to track these changes -- which then have to be distributed again -- or the clone muds would be left behind, causing them more versioning problems. Third, right now it is not clear if you are doing anything wrong by connecting to a clone server. All you have done is make a change to the login.cfg file. Having to patch the client changes that. > >In any event, it would do much to stop the > >casual use of clone servers that is now possible. > > But who are the clone servers hurting? Taking the UOX source as state of the art, I'd say that only one addition is needed to make a reasonably bug-free clone a blazing success: player houses. Alternatively, add combat, death and stat loss/advancement. In either case, monsters, spells, skills and related objects are (initially) not needed. Any successful clone could take away marketshare from Origin. It could all be a ploy by Origin to father the new Abermud and supplant telnet & tinyfugue as the standard mud clients, but somehow I suspect that they were caught unawares. Felix Croes </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00497" HREF="msg00497.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> J C Lawrence <claw#under,engr.sgi.com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00181.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00183.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00180.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00497.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00182"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00182"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00156" HREF="msg00156.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, S. Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Fri 10 Jul 1998, 22:19 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00163" HREF="msg00163.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, Felix A. Croes <a href="mailto:felix#xs1,simplex.nl">felix#xs1,simplex.nl</a>, Sat 11 Jul 1998, 12:59 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00179" HREF="msg00179.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, Jason Goodwin <a href="mailto:wgoodwin#iquest,net">wgoodwin#iquest,net</a>, Sun 12 Jul 1998, 00:30 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00180" HREF="msg00180.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Sun 12 Jul 1998, 22:19 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00182" HREF="msg00182.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, Felix A. Croes <a href="mailto:felix#xs1,simplex.nl">felix#xs1,simplex.nl</a>, Sun 12 Jul 1998, 22:24 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00497" HREF="msg00497.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 20:18 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00501" HREF="msg00501.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, D. B. Brown <a href="mailto:dbrown1#stny,lrun.com">dbrown1#stny,lrun.com</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 21:57 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00503" HREF="msg00503.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#mail,angel.com">adam#mail,angel.com</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 22:41 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00502" HREF="msg00502.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 22:33 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>