1998Q3/
<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 -->
<!--X-Subject: [MUD&#45;Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's -->
<!--X-From-R13: "Tryvk O. Qebrf" <sryvkNkf1.fvzcyrk.ay> -->
<!--X-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:24:16 &#45;0700 -->
<!--X-Message-Id: 199807121317.PAA01192#xs1,simplex.nl -->
<!--X-Content-Type: text/plain -->
<!--X-Head-End-->
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</title>
<!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" -->
<link rev="made" href="mailto:felix#xs1,simplex.nl">
</head>
<body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"
      text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000">

  <font size="+4" color="#804040">
    <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong>
  </font>
      
<br>
[&nbsp;<a href="../">Other Periods</a>
&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a>
&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="/search.php3">Search</a>
&nbsp;]
<br clear=all><hr>
<!--X-Body-Begin-->
<!--X-User-Header-->
<!--X-User-Header-End-->
<!--X-TopPNI-->

Date:&nbsp;
[&nbsp;<a href="msg00181.html">Previous</a>
&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="msg00183.html">Next</a>
&nbsp;]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Thread:&nbsp;
[&nbsp;<a href="msg00180.html">Previous</a>
&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="msg00497.html">Next</a>
&nbsp;]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Index:&nbsp;
[&nbsp;<A HREF="author.html#00182">Author</A>
&nbsp;|&nbsp;<A HREF="#00182">Date</A>
&nbsp;|&nbsp;<A HREF="thread.html#00182">Thread</A>
&nbsp;]

<!--X-TopPNI-End-->
<!--X-MsgBody-->
<!--X-Subject-Header-Begin-->
<H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</H1>
<HR>
<!--X-Subject-Header-End-->
<!--X-Head-of-Message-->
<UL>
<LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI>
<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: "Felix A. Croes" &lt;<A HREF="mailto:felix#xs1,simplex.nl">felix#xs1,simplex.nl</A>&gt;</LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:17:11 +0200 (MET DST)</LI>
<LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI>
</UL>
<!--X-Head-of-Message-End-->
<!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin-->
<HR>
<!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End-->
<!--X-Body-of-Message-->
<PRE>
Jason Goodwin &lt;wgoodwin#iquest,net&gt; wrote:
&gt; At 02:56 PM 7/11/98 +0200, Felix Croes wrote:
&gt;[...]
&gt; &gt;This sort of thing would be much more difficult if public key
&gt; &gt;encryption is used to authenticate the server:
&gt;
&gt; Yes, but someone _will_ break the code, and then it might as well
&gt; not even be there since its only result is to slow things down.

Whoever is going to try to break RSA or ElGamal: good luck to them.


&gt; Or even better, just reverse engineer the client to remove the
&gt; check.  It is futile, and ultimately adds nothing to the game.

I disagree.  First off, requiring users to patch their client
(or download a new one) before they can login on a clone server
stops a large amount of them right there -- these are the same
people who don't know how to upgrade their BIOS for Windows 98.

Second, the UO client is not a static product that you have to
hack only once.  It is automatically upgraded to fix bugs and
track server changes.  Third-party hacks on the client either
have to track these changes -- which then have to be distributed
again -- or the clone muds would be left behind, causing them
more versioning problems.

Third, right now it is not clear if you are doing anything wrong 
by connecting to a clone server.  All you have done is make a
change to the login.cfg file.  Having to patch the client changes
that.


&gt; &gt;In any event, it would do much to stop the
&gt; &gt;casual use of clone servers that is now possible.
&gt;
&gt; But who are the clone servers hurting?

Taking the UOX source as state of the art, I'd say that only one
addition is needed to make a reasonably bug-free clone a blazing
success: player houses.  Alternatively, add combat, death and stat
loss/advancement.  In either case, monsters, spells, skills and
related objects are (initially) not needed.  Any successful clone
could take away marketshare from Origin.

It could all be a ploy by Origin to father the new Abermud and
supplant telnet &amp; tinyfugue as the standard mud clients, but
somehow I suspect that they were caught unawares.

Felix Croes


</PRE>

<!--X-Body-of-Message-End-->
<!--X-MsgBody-End-->
<!--X-Follow-Ups-->
<HR>
<ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>:
<ul>
<li><strong><A NAME="00497" HREF="msg00497.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>
<ul compact><li><em>From:</em> J C Lawrence &lt;claw#under,engr.sgi.com&gt;</li></ul>
</UL></LI></UL>
<!--X-Follow-Ups-End-->
<!--X-References-->
<!--X-References-End-->
<!--X-BotPNI-->
<UL>
<LI>Prev by Date:
<STRONG><A HREF="msg00181.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></STRONG>
</LI>
<LI>Next by Date:
<STRONG><A HREF="msg00183.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method</A></STRONG>
</LI>
<LI>Prev by thread:
<STRONG><A HREF="msg00180.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></STRONG>
</LI>
<LI>Next by thread:
<STRONG><A HREF="msg00497.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></STRONG>
</LI>
<LI>Index(es):
<UL>
<LI><A HREF="index.html#00182"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI>
<LI><A HREF="thread.html#00182"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI>
</UL>
</LI>
</UL>

<!--X-BotPNI-End-->
<!--X-User-Footer-->
<!--X-User-Footer-End-->
<ul><li>Thread context:
<BLOCKQUOTE><UL>
<LI><strong><A NAME="00156" HREF="msg00156.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, 
S. Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Fri 10 Jul 1998, 22:19 GMT
<UL>
<li>&lt;Possible follow-up(s)&gt;<br>
<LI><strong><A NAME="00163" HREF="msg00163.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, 
Felix A. Croes <a href="mailto:felix#xs1,simplex.nl">felix#xs1,simplex.nl</a>, Sat 11 Jul 1998, 12:59 GMT
</LI>
<LI><strong><A NAME="00179" HREF="msg00179.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, 
Jason Goodwin <a href="mailto:wgoodwin#iquest,net">wgoodwin#iquest,net</a>, Sun 12 Jul 1998, 00:30 GMT
<UL>
<LI><strong><A NAME="00180" HREF="msg00180.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, 
Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Sun 12 Jul 1998, 22:19 GMT
</LI>
</UL>
</LI>
<LI><strong><A NAME="00182" HREF="msg00182.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, 
Felix A. Croes <a href="mailto:felix#xs1,simplex.nl">felix#xs1,simplex.nl</a>, Sun 12 Jul 1998, 22:24 GMT
<UL>
<LI><strong><A NAME="00497" HREF="msg00497.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 20:18 GMT
</LI>
</UL>
</LI>
<LI><strong><A NAME="00501" HREF="msg00501.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, 
D. B. Brown <a href="mailto:dbrown1#stny,lrun.com">dbrown1#stny,lrun.com</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 21:57 GMT
<UL>
<LI><strong><A NAME="00503" HREF="msg00503.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, 
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#mail,angel.com">adam#mail,angel.com</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 22:41 GMT
</LI>
</UL>
</LI>
<LI><strong><A NAME="00502" HREF="msg00502.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Alternate UOL's</A></strong>, 
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 22:33 GMT
</LI>
</UL>
</LI>
</UL></BLOCKQUOTE>

</ul>
<hr>
<center>
[&nbsp;<a href="../">Other Periods</a>
&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a>
&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="/search.php3">Search</a>
&nbsp;]
</center>
<hr>
</body>
</html>