<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis --> <!--X-From-R13: Rna Euvbivgm <qofNpf.jvfp.rqh> --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:46:53 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.GSO.3.96L.980713164317.8850A-100000#mozzarella,cs.wisc.edu --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.SGI.3.96.980713130407.22897D-100000#zazu,angel.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:dbs#cs,wisc.edu"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00196.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00198.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00194.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00198.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00197">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00197">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00197">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Dan Shiovitz <<A HREF="mailto:dbs#cs,wisc.edu">dbs#cs,wisc.edu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:46:07 -0500 (CDT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Adam Wiggins wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Matt Chatterley wrote: > > Right. I also feel that replacing the numbers with more descriptive information > > is conducive to a different approach to gaming (more below). It also (to my > > mind) makes it 'friendlier' to those who are unaccustomed with this type of > > game, and requires less instruction - "My strength is 18? What does that > > /mean/?" versus "Okay, so I'm very strong.." (of course, the logical > > continuation is similar, since it is ".. compared to what?"). > > This is, IMO, a larger problem of establishing a frame of reference. You > need to do this for ALL elements in your world, not just numerical stats - > although those can be the easiest. For example: > > % stats > You are a female ogre. > You are very strong compared to most ogres. > You are very intelligent compared to most ogres. [..] Note that this is the *right* way to do it, and I haven't seen it like this anywhere. What I usually see is something like % score Your Strength: buff % help strength Strength values: wimpy, wussy, tiny, girly, average, normal, buff, macho, studly, heroic, titanic, elephantine. In other words, all the admins did was play use-the-thesaurus and there's no obvious ranking of the stat words unless you have memorized the help file. > Adam -- Dan Shiovitz || dbs#cs,wisc.edu || <A HREF="http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~dbs">http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~dbs</A> "...Incensed by some crack he had made about modern enlightened thought, modern enlightened thought being practically a personal buddy of hers, Florence gave him the swift heave-ho and--much against my will, but she seemed to wish it--became betrothed to me." - PGW, J.a.t.F.S. </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00198" HREF="msg00198.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Adam Wiggins <adam#angel,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00194" HREF="msg00194.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Adam Wiggins <adam#angel,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00196.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wire d Magazine...)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00198.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00194.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00198.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00197"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00197"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statistise your MUD?</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00165" HREF="msg00165.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statistise your MUD?</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</a>, Sat 11 Jul 1998, 17:38 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00103" HREF="msg00103.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 09 Jul 1998, 05:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00181" HREF="msg00181.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 12 Jul 1998, 22:20 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00194" HREF="msg00194.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Mon 13 Jul 1998, 20:14 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00197" HREF="msg00197.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></strong>, Dan Shiovitz <a href="mailto:dbs#cs,wisc.edu">dbs#cs,wisc.edu</a>, Mon 13 Jul 1998, 21:46 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00198" HREF="msg00198.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Mon 13 Jul 1998, 23:16 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00207" HREF="msg00207.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Tue 14 Jul 1998, 19:12 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00208" HREF="msg00208.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></strong>, Travis S. Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Tue 14 Jul 1998, 19:44 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00209" HREF="msg00209.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: You think users won't number crunch and statis</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Tue 14 Jul 1998, 20:45 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>