<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xba O. 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Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:24:32 -5</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 7 Aug 98, Dan Shiovitz wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, J C Lawrence wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:46:36 -5 > > Jon A Lambert<jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com> wrote: > [..] > > > Nod. The availability of @gag did not prevent the Mr. Bungle > > > incident. Nor would @gag or "squelch" affect third party > > > observation of such activity. > > > > A thought: > [..] > > As the number of gags increased on a player, the distance > > propagation of his speech, or of his proxies speech would be decreased > > proportionally. Ultimately perhaps he would have to shout to be heard > > by someone standing immediately beside him. Nod. hmm. > If you're going to do something like this, why not just let people > vote to prevent players from speaking at all? Say, if 10% of the > people on the mud (minimum 10) vote to @gag someone, that person gets > gagged for the next thirty minutes or until a wizard ungags them. You > can of course expand this sort of system to handle all the wizard > functions: @boot probably requires slightly fewer votes than @gag, > @toadplayer requires a lot of votes, @siteban requires virtual > unanimity. There's some stuff to work out here about preventing > multiple votes from the same person and how long the voting period > should be and so on, but no biggie. Some excellent ideas here. This gives players access to OOC mechanisms on a limited basis. It might be particularly handy for muds which cannot for various reasons supply 24/7 supervision. While some of these mechanisms can be abused in certain social environments (those that contain high ratios of jerks), I think use of these mechanisms might also provide a more focused point for triggering automated logging. For instance @gag requests could be logged and when these escalate to global levels, more detailed logging of activity could be triggered. This might provide a level of post-event review to check against abuse. > (If you want, it might be better to do a chit system instead of a > voting period. You have X chits you can give out. If a person > accumulates N chits, they get whatever penalty is appropriate. This is > basically a slightly-more-decentralized version of the voting system.) I like these ideas, though I'd much rather disguise and hide the "voting" aspect. Yes, this is a form of player voting, but I am wary leading players into thinking that anything relating to mud administration is democratic. Changing the aspects of "voting" is more politically painful than changing mechanics of @gag. And all @gags are not created equal. :) A player with game master privilege would have more "votes" or weight. Such mechanisms for OOC enforcements may be integrated into in-game thematic constructs. (i.e. literal as well as mechanical "toading") This also might have implications in enforcement of role-playing in an immersive RP environment. How about the @GOP command? -- --/*\ Jon A. Lambert - TychoMUD Internet:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com /*\-- --/*\ Mud Server Developer's Page <<A HREF="http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc">http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc</A>> /*\-- --/*\ "Everything that deceives may be said to enchant" - Plato /*\-- </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00557" HREF="msg00557.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Dan Shiovitz <dbs#cs,wisc.edu></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00542" HREF="msg00542.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> J C Lawrence <claw#under,engr.sgi.com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00550" HREF="msg00550.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Dan Shiovitz <dbs#cs,wisc.edu></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00551.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: The great crusade....</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00553.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00550.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00557.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00552"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00552"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00543" HREF="msg00543.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, Holly Sommer <a href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</a>, Fri 07 Aug 1998, 21:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00544" HREF="msg00544.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Fri 07 Aug 1998, 22:00 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00545" HREF="msg00545.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Fri 07 Aug 1998, 22:02 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00550" HREF="msg00550.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, Dan Shiovitz <a href="mailto:dbs#cs,wisc.edu">dbs#cs,wisc.edu</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 02:59 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00552" HREF="msg00552.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 04:27 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00557" HREF="msg00557.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, Dan Shiovitz <a href="mailto:dbs#cs,wisc.edu">dbs#cs,wisc.edu</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 07:48 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00560" HREF="msg00560.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt <a href="mailto:hhs#cbs,dtu.dk">hhs#cbs,dtu.dk</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 11:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00587" HREF="msg00587.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Sun 09 Aug 1998, 17:58 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00555" HREF="msg00555.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, T. Alexander Popiel <a href="mailto:popiel#snugharbor,com">popiel#snugharbor,com</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 05:40 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>