<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :) --> <!--X-From-R13: Oqnz Ivttvaf <nqnzNnatry.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:54:55 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.SGI.3.96.980904114847.11975E-100000#zazu,angel.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.96.980903210909.20295A-100000#shamen,cyberhighway.net --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:adam#angel,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00945.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00947.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00938.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00923.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00946">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00946">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00946">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: mud-dev <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Adam Wiggins <<A HREF="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:57:52 -0700 (PDT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> > On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Marc Hernandez wrote: > > Which happily (though assembly isnt bad) is not much anymore. Now > > it seems to be making sure you only send the rasterizer x many triangles > > (where x is somewhere between 3000 and 8000 per frame in batches of 30-50) > > and sort the triangles based on what texture they are. Just a quick technical note: my work project is using a fairly well-optimized (good culling, plenty of assembly for the matrix math, etc) custom renderer based on the Glide rasterizing library. On our prototype Katmai 500mhz (aka Pentium III) with a Voodoo2, running in Linux console mode (ie, practically zero overhead from the OS) it can only put through 3000 or so polygons and maintain full framerate (60fps). Even if your standards are lower (say, 30fps) you're still only talking ~5000 polys in a scene. I can't speak for other platforms at the moment, JC could probably fill you in on SGI throughputs. Hardware is definitely getting better, but 3D still has a long way to go before we can stop worrying about complexity. For a more realistic example, the K6-233 with a Voodoo1 and (Mesa) OpenGL does around 1000 polys in the scene at 30fps. Obviously this number can vary alot depending on the average size of the polys, your system's bus speed, overhead from other game stuff (AI, input polling, sound mixing), screen resolution, and more. But I'd say that expecting to put 8000 polys into a scene and have it run nicely on your run of the mill computer is a little out of reach for another year or two. Adam </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00938" HREF="msg00938.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Ben Greear <greear#cyberhighway,net></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00945.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00947.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00938.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00923.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00946"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00946"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00926" HREF="msg00926.html">[MUD-Dev] Re:Intermud Communication...is it worth it?</A></strong>, Michael.Willey <a href="mailto:Michael.Willey#abnamro,com">Michael.Willey#abnamro,com</a>, Thu 03 Sep 1998, 13:05 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00921" HREF="msg00921.html">[MUD-Dev] Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Thu 03 Sep 1998, 04:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00922" HREF="msg00922.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>, Marc Hernandez <a href="mailto:marc#jb,com">marc#jb,com</a>, Thu 03 Sep 1998, 05:50 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00938" HREF="msg00938.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Fri 04 Sep 1998, 04:14 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00946" HREF="msg00946.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Fri 04 Sep 1998, 18:54 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00923" HREF="msg00923.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 03 Sep 1998, 06:07 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00929" HREF="msg00929.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>, Adam J. Thornton <a href="mailto:adam#phoenix,Princeton.EDU">adam#phoenix,Princeton.EDU</a>, Thu 03 Sep 1998, 15:23 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00941" HREF="msg00941.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Fri 04 Sep 1998, 05:30 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00953" HREF="msg00953.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Sat 05 Sep 1998, 01:23 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>