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<H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</H1>
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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:58:20 -5</LI>
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On 29 Jun 98, Koster, Raph wrote:
> > From: Mike Sellers [SMTP:mike#bignetwork,com]
> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 8:09 PM
> > To: mud-dev#kanga,nu
> > Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun
> >
> > At 04:30 PM 6/26/98 -0500, Dr. Cat wrote:
> > >Raph Koster wrote:
> >
>
> > The topic of wholly created societies
> > does not exist in the literature in any form that speaks to online
> > communities (beyond the level of the likes of Howard Rheingold and
> > Sherry
> > Turkle, which doesn't take us very far). Given that, it's not
> > surprising
> > that a bunch of (here I go again) young white mostly-unmarried male
> > suburbanite refugee designers haven't been able to do it either.
> >
The youth argument is rational and understandable and as a
consequence of youth those that are married would be less common.
I can't quite grasp the logic that being white and male would be
disadvantageous to creating online societies. Are you postulating
that black females will have more success at creating online
societies?
> I think we have to share the blame. For that matter, I don't consider it
> "blame" as such as a plain old recognition of facts. I do not think the
> average Internet gamer who plays a mud is ready for self-governance. I
> also do not think the average real world citizen is fully engaged with
> their local community or participates in THEIR governance either. Did
> you vote in your last local election? I didn't, and thus I am pointing a
> finger at myself as well. I am not saying that I have all the answers.
How do you both define self-governance on muds?
The absence of administration interference? Or something else?
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00063" HREF="msg00063.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
S. Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Tue 07 Jul 1998, 19:28 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00066" HREF="msg00066.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Tue 07 Jul 1998, 21:13 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00064" HREF="msg00064.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 07 Jul 1998, 19:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00065" HREF="msg00065.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
S. Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Tue 07 Jul 1998, 20:20 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00073" HREF="msg00073.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 04:57 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00077" HREF="msg00077.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Mike Sellers <a href="mailto:mike#bignetwork,com">mike#bignetwork,com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 06:31 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00075" HREF="msg00075.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
S. Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 05:56 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00101" HREF="msg00101.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 09 Jul 1998, 04:56 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00102" HREF="msg00102.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Matthew R. Sheahan <a href="mailto:chaos#crystal,palace.net">chaos#crystal,palace.net</a>, Thu 09 Jul 1998, 05:19 GMT
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