<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud? --> <!--X-From-R13: Dlna Bevapr <wlak_elaNzvaqyrff.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:16:58 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 36083DC0.76A84E91#mindless,com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 11A17AA2B9EAD111BCEA00A0C9B41793EDBD83#forest,origin.ea.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jynx_ryn#mindless,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01110.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01112.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01104.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01157.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01111">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01111">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01111">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Ryan Prince <<A HREF="mailto:jynx_ryn#mindless,com">jynx_ryn#mindless,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:16:00 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> First of all, I'd like to clear any arguments of symantics. Note that this is not my opinoin, just a factual disection of the term MUD. The term MUD is an achronym of Multi-User Dungeon, meaning a version or variation of the game Dungeon ( a popular text-adventure game ) that is meant to be used by several people at the same time. Dungeon itself was not an RPG, however many people thought it was. It was an 'adventure' game and a puzzle solving exercise, but involved no role playing. I have personally NEVER seen a role playing game that was single player. They are ADVENTURE games. RPG is a misnomer. However, the term MUD has come to mean a little more than it used to. It now means something different to every person that says it. My interpretation is a multi-player online game with a persistant world and player-driven action. A lot of games are now multiplayer, using the internet and networks, but that does not neccisarily make them MUDs. The key here are the terms PERSISTANT and PLAYER-DRIVEN. Persistant refers to something which is at least INTEDED to keep the effects that are placed on it for the rest of it's life, until something else changes it back. Diablo looses here because it is not persistant, it is meant to be reset often. MUDs on the other hand are only reset when a major addition is being tested or added or it crashed. Player-driven means that the outcome of the game is based on the actions of the player. Again, Diablo looses out, as there is only one outcome of the game unless you quit, which is killing diablo. The fact that Diablo is so one-track percludes it from me being able to categorize it as a MUD. It is BARELY an adventure game, and besides the shops and repetitive quests it is a 3/4 overhead version of DOOM. Not to mention that I have seen several DOOM clones that include shops and mini-quests. I would also like to add ROLE-PLAYING onto my list, however, it has not become important enough, yet. So I tend to go with MURPEs ( Multi User Role Playing Environments ), rather than MUDs. ( BTW, I have seen lots of modified-but-diku-based MURPEs out there, especially RoM based stuff.) -- - Jynx Ryn - The Complex Man with the Simple Signature - Home Page: <A HREF="http://jynxryn.home.ml.org/">http://jynxryn.home.ml.org/</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01157" HREF="msg01157.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> J C Lawrence <claw#under,engr.sgi.com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01094" HREF="msg01094.html">[MUD-Dev] Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Koster, Raph" <rkoster#origin,ea.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01110.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Medievia</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01112.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: who are we?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01104.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01157.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01111"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01111"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="01379" HREF="msg01379.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: What are you looking for in this list?</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:chattemp#ee,port.ac.uk">chattemp#ee,port.ac.uk</a>, Wed 30 Sep 1998, 11:40 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01094" HREF="msg01094.html">[MUD-Dev] Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 22 Sep 1998, 21:27 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01098" HREF="msg01098.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></strong>, Marc Hernandez <a href="mailto:marc#jb,com">marc#jb,com</a>, Tue 22 Sep 1998, 21:51 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01104" HREF="msg01104.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Tue 22 Sep 1998, 22:39 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01111" HREF="msg01111.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></strong>, Ryan Prince <a href="mailto:jynx_ryn#mindless,com">jynx_ryn#mindless,com</a>, Wed 23 Sep 1998, 00:16 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01157" HREF="msg01157.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 23 Sep 1998, 20:41 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01118" HREF="msg01118.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></strong>, Andy Cink <a href="mailto:ranthor#earthlink,net">ranthor#earthlink,net</a>, Wed 23 Sep 1998, 03:01 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01145" HREF="msg01145.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></strong>, Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</a>, Wed 23 Sep 1998, 17:49 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01180" HREF="msg01180.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Object transitions, was Re: Ugh, IS Diablo a mud?</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Thu 24 Sep 1998, 05:42 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>