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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun </LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:44:36 -0700</LI>
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On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:29:23 -0600
Chris Gray<cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA> wrote:
> I'm not really following up here, but more following on. The above
> interchanged triggered the following question in my mind: How
> dependent are the combat freaks and the combat critics on the actual
> words and forms used during "combat"?
Very. cf Jack Vance's "The Languages of Pao". As long as the various
verbs etc equate to
attack/invalidate/minorise/subdue/make-lesser/humiliate etc than they
are effective. A minor exception would occur if the action had the
same effect:
> paint bubba
Bubba is now painted.
> where bubba
There is no bubba in this game.
But I'm fairly sure that this is a very minor exception.
> My guess on this is that the combat folks wouldn't touch the game
> with a ten foot pole, unless they were coerced and enticed in some
> way, but having gotten into it, might find it more fun, since what
> they are doing is now somehow acceptible. If not, then I'd have to
> conclude that one of the reasons they wouldn't like this but do like
> regular combat is that they *want* to be doing socially unacceptible
> things, and they *want* all of the physical damage and agony that
> they cause (at least virtually).
Nahh, a key element in combat is the concept of subjugating,
enforcing, or otherwise overriding someone else's controls and
defences. There has to be an element of conquest. I don't see social
acceptability, or its absence as being a major motivator or
requirement.
> [I played "Unreal" for the first time yesterday, and must admit to
> some visceral satisfaction from seeing my opponent (a friend in
> another city) fly apart into hunks of bloody meat. Later, three of
> us played "Monkey Island" (first time for all of us), and were quite
> entertained by its non-violence and quirky humor.]
Tho I have never played Quake, one of the more intesting seeming
variations is Catch The Chicken at:
URL:<A HREF="http://www.planetquake.com/chicken/">http://www.planetquake.com/chicken/</A>
You can only shoot the guy with the chicken.
The guy with the chicken can't shoot.
The longer you keep the chicken the more points you get.
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00010" HREF="msg00010.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 19:50 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00030" HREF="msg00030.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 02 Jul 1998, 01:12 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00033" HREF="msg00033.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 02 Jul 1998, 17:33 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00158" HREF="msg00158.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Sat 11 Jul 1998, 00:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00245" HREF="msg00245.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Sat 18 Jul 1998, 00:45 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00034" HREF="msg00034.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 02 Jul 1998, 19:40 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00040" HREF="msg00040.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</a>, Fri 03 Jul 1998, 01:54 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00047" HREF="msg00047.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Fri 03 Jul 1998, 20:48 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00078" HREF="msg00078.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 07:20 GMT
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