<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking --> <!--X-From-R13: <nqnzNgerlnepu.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:43:51 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.LNX.4.10.10004201616190.22918-100000#aeowyn,treyarch.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: NDBBLCGJMLFJLCDOFPLMAECFCIAA.rkoster#austin,rr.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:adam#treyarch,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00494.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00497.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00454.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00446.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00493">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00493">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00493">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:adam#treyarch,com">adam#treyarch,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Raph Koster wrote: > If success at a given level of ability in your mud depends more on knowledge > of the game than on stats or items, then twinking's effects will likely be > reduced. (And yes, I know that knowledge has its own set of problems, sicne > it is quickly disseminated, etc...). Once again drawing an example from Arctic MUD: They player wipe about once a year, and have done so consistently for the seven years they have been in existence. (I think there's been 8 or 9 wipes.) They never tell players ahead of time when they are going to wipe. Most of the long-time players consider this a feature. It starts everyone from scratch; the world is fresh and new again. The 'best' players are not the ones that have the best characters at any given playerfile; they are the ones that climb to power before everyone else immediately after a wipe. It's their detailed knowledge of the Arctic world (which is pretty huge, clocking in at around 25,000 rooms these days) which gives them 'power'. Everything else is transient, and the players treat it that way. I doubt you could do this on a commercial mud ("Dammit, I *paid* for that character, and you just deleted him!!!1!11"), but it's worked great for Arctic. I think the playerbase is much less "twinkish" as a result of this policy. 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Koster <a href="mailto:koster#eden,com">koster#eden,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 02:33 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00457" HREF="msg00457.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, F. Randall Farmer <a href="mailto:randy#communities,com">randy#communities,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 03:42 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00465" HREF="msg00465.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT </LI> </LI> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>