<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars --> <!--X-From-R13: Fenivf Qnfrl <rsvaqryNvb.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:02:05 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 18832.000418#io,com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: NDBBLCGJMLFJLCDOFPLMIEAKCIAA.rkoster#austin,rr.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:efindel#io,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00439.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00438.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00412.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00318.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00437">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00437">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00437">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Travis Casey <<A HREF="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:58:29 -0400</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Tuesday, April 18, 2000, Raph Koster wrote: > - the reasons offered for not granting them seem to boil down to: > - this is a game, there's a bunch of oddities that mess with rights in a > game. As someone who's reiterated several times that most muds are games, I'd like to say one thing: I agree that these are a good idea, as suggestions for people running gaming muds, and I agree that they're more than just a good idea for a mud that wants to become a virtual community or has other ambitions beyond simple entertainment. I don't agree with one of your bases that you're resting these rights on *in the specific case of muds meant as entertainment*. However, since that is not the sole basis of the rights, that doesn't mean that I think none of them apply -- only that I don't agree that that particular basis applies. This weakens the case for some rights, but not others. In other words, I'm not saying that "it's a game, so you have no rights." I'm saying, "it's a game, so I don't think there's as much of a need for some of these rights." To put it another way, I think it's certainly not right for a landlord to up and tell everyone "You have to move out of the building today" for no good reason. However, I do think it's all right for someone running a free game to say "I don't enjoy running this game any more, so I'm going to shut it down." Losing a particular source of entertainment is no big deal; losing a place to live is. -- |\ _,,,---,,_ Travis S. Casey <efindel#io,com> ZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ No one agrees with me. Not even me. |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev mailing list MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00412" HREF="msg00412.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Raph Koster" <rkoster#austin,rr.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00439.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00438.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00412.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00318.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00437"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00437"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00325" HREF="msg00325.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:the_logos#achaea,com">the_logos#achaea,com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 04:52 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00338" HREF="msg00338.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 06:40 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00360" HREF="msg00360.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Jeff Freeman <a href="mailto:skeptack#antisocial,com">skeptack#antisocial,com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 16:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00412" HREF="msg00412.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Tue 18 Apr 2000, 19:49 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00437" HREF="msg00437.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 00:02 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00318" HREF="msg00318.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Jon Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 04:52 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00359" HREF="msg00359.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Geoffrey A. MacDougall <a href="mailto:geoffrey#poptronik,com">geoffrey#poptronik,com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 16:22 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00381" HREF="msg00381.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services <a href="mailto:Paul.Schwanz#east,sun.com">Paul.Schwanz#east,sun.com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 20:17 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00409" HREF="msg00409.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Geoffrey A. MacDougall <a href="mailto:geoffrey#poptronik,com">geoffrey#poptronik,com</a>, Tue 18 Apr 2000, 19:48 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>