<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars --> <!--X-From-R13: "Quevfgbcure Oyyra" <QuevfgbcureONfxbgbf.arg> --> <!--X-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:28:58 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 000501bfa801$fc91a3e0$03000004@asmrb.org --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: F19669E47070D311A0880050049B066A066CEB@ORGANIC --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:ChristopherA@skotos.net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00304.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00306.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00435.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00325.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00305">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00305">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00305">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Christopher Allen" <<A HREF="mailto:ChristopherA#skotos,net">ChristopherA#skotos,net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:15:02 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Overall, my biggest comment is that this is largely based on 18th century rights documents, which were based on the ideal that the public would be responsible, rational, and reasonable when not under duress. The US constitution (not including the bill of rights), and many more recent documents, try to build in a balance as the public is not always responsible, rational, nor reasonable. Take for instance the initial results of the French Revolution. Instead, I've favored rights documents that are matched with responsibilities. For instance, the right to free speech carries with it a responsibility to speak freely, and maybe a responsibility to avoid pedagoguery. The right to a jury trial of your peers comes with a responsibility to be be such a peer, and to be fair, just and responsible if called to be on such a trial. The right to vote comes with the responsibility to vote wisely. I'll paraphrase a couple of items by Gifford & Libba Pinchot, from their "Bill of Rights and Responsibilities of the Intelligent Organization". Gifford & Libba wrote this as a manifesto for rights of employees in a business in their book "The End of Bureacracy". 1. Freedom of Expression Right to: Freedom of Speech Freedom onf press and email Freedom of the arts Privacy in communications Responsibility to: Tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth Appreciate and bring out the many sides to every issue See the good in others and express it VI. A Community of Differences Right to: Full membership in the organization A community that cares for your welfare Responsibility to: Neither show nor tolerate bias or prejudice Balance self-interest against the common good Work toward worthwhile commond vision and values Find value in diversity VII. Justice and the Rule of Law Right to: Freedom within the law Due process An independent judicial system A jury of peers Responsibility to: Obey the law Work to establish good law Avoid self-serving rules and entitlements Stand for what one believes VIII. Democratic Self-Rule Right to: Local self-management within bounds Participation in designing the larger system Responsiblity to: Listen to others Educate oneself on whhole-system realities Stand for what one believes IX. Freedom of Network Connections Right to: Freedom of Association Freedom of Choices Freedom to make and honor commitments Responsiblity to: Make commitments wisely Deliver on one's commitments Use others time wisely Server the larger community X. Limits on Internal Government Right to: Support the rights of every member Constitutional limits on internal taxation A goverment that guides the system Responsibility to: Use incentives, not mandates whenever possible Be farsighted Reward service to the whole Push decisions to the lowest possible level ------------------------------------------------------------------------ .. Christopher Allen Skotos Tech Inc. .. .. 1512 Walnut St., Berkeley, CA 94709-1513 .. .. <<A HREF="http://www.Skotos.net">http://www.Skotos.net</A>> o510/649-4030 f510/649-4034 .. _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev mailing list MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00325" HREF="msg00325.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Matthew Mihaly <the_logos@achaea.com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00285" HREF="msg00285.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Geoffrey A. 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