<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition ! --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xnl Qneyfba" <abcNzvger.bet> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:22:29 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 027901bf9e7f$2e96c050$18095381@POINTSMAN --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 200004040311.WAA27664@laurel.actlab.utexas.edu --> <!--X-Reference: 7e8zyut75e.fsf@zesoi.fer.hr --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:nop@mitre.org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00041.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00042.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00031.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00052.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00043">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00043">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00043">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Jay Carlson" <<A HREF="mailto:nop#mitre,org">nop#mitre,org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:46:06 -0400</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> "Miroslav Silovic" <silovic#zesoi,fer.hr> writes on Tuesday, April 04, 2000 7:52 AM: [mud in small number of bytes] > Seriously, I haven't read the contest rules yet, but I assume they > limit the language selection. Well, it'd be interesting to see if MOO or LPC would actually be winners. > Otherwise, you can just write a MUD in > Java or Common LISP (The Language With Everything On, or Did You > Really Think That -Emacs- Was Big? or MMap Twenty Megabytes On > Startup), and use all the available libraries for these languages - as > a result, you'd get really small code indeed, and it'd want to link to > megabytes of runtime environment. Lisp gets a bad rap here. Just about every C app on the system gets to mmap in libc.so, and from there it gets worse: ~ slothrop$ uname -a SunOS slothrop 5.7 Generic_106541-05 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1 ~ slothrop$ ldd /bin/ksh libsocket.so.1 => /usr/lib/libsocket.so.1 libnsl.so.1 => /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1 libc.so.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1 libdl.so.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1 libmp.so.2 => /usr/lib/libmp.so.2 ~ slothrop$ size /lib/libc.so.1 text data bss dec hex filename 669816 19673 6480 695969 a9ea1 /lib/libc.so.1 ~ slothrop$ # This adds up sizes of the text and data segments for all the shared libraries used by an executable (but not the executable's size itself.) ~ slothrop$ totalsize () { ldd $1 | awk '{print $3}' | xargs size | awk '/^ *[0-9]/ {t += $1 + $2} END {printf t;}' ; echo " $1" ; } ~ slothrop$ for x in /usr/dt/bin/*; do totalsize $x; done 2>/dev/null | sort -nr | more 8257893 /usr/dt/bin/sdtfontadm 7162744 /usr/dt/bin/dtbuilder [...] 6788532 /usr/dt/bin/dtmail [...] 6671642 /usr/dt/bin/sdtformat_floppy 6667113 /usr/dt/bin/dtcodegen [...] 6101377 /usr/dt/bin/dthelpview [...] 5935387 /usr/dt/bin/dtwm 5877097 /usr/dt/bin/dtterm KDE looks pretty svelte in comparison---the terminal only needs 4M of shared libraries to come up. I'm still trying to forget the project from a few years ago that linked in truly massive piles of CORBA and auto-generated libraries.... Jay _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev mailing list MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00058" HREF="msg00058.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Miroslav Silovic <silovic@zesoi.fer.hr></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00052" HREF="msg00052.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Travis Casey <efindel@io.com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00029" HREF="msg00029.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Cynbe ru Taren <cynbe@muq.org></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00031" HREF="msg00031.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Miroslav Silovic <silovic@zesoi.fer.hr></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00041.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: J (was: Re: 16K mud server competition !)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00042.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00031.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00052.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00043"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00043"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00049" HREF="msg00049.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel@io.com">efindel@io.com</a>, Wed 05 Apr 2000, 00:42 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00047" HREF="msg00047.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel@io.com">efindel@io.com</a>, Wed 05 Apr 2000, 00:37 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00029" HREF="msg00029.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, Cynbe ru Taren <a href="mailto:cynbe@muq.org">cynbe@muq.org</a>, Tue 04 Apr 2000, 05:30 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00031" HREF="msg00031.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic@zesoi.fer.hr">silovic@zesoi.fer.hr</a>, Tue 04 Apr 2000, 16:11 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00043" HREF="msg00043.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, Jay Carlson <a href="mailto:nop@mitre.org">nop@mitre.org</a>, Tue 04 Apr 2000, 22:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00052" HREF="msg00052.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel@io.com">efindel@io.com</a>, Wed 05 Apr 2000, 01:03 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00058" HREF="msg00058.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic@zesoi.fer.hr">silovic@zesoi.fer.hr</a>, Wed 05 Apr 2000, 15:27 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00042" HREF="msg00042.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, Powell, Warren <a href="mailto:warren.powell@nz.unisys.com">warren.powell@nz.unisys.com</a>, Tue 04 Apr 2000, 22:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00051" HREF="msg00051.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel@io.com">efindel@io.com</a>, Wed 05 Apr 2000, 00:46 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>