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<LI><em>From</em>: Miroslav Silovic &lt;<A HREF="mailto:silovic#zesoi,fer.hr">silovic#zesoi,fer.hr</A>&gt;</LI>
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Cynbe ru Taren &lt;cynbe#muq,org&gt; writes:

&gt; Optimal solution is probably a language like J, Haskell or teco
&gt; that is more about conciseness than efficiency. :)

*grin* I *hope* you meant to say 'readability' rather than efficiency.

&gt; 16K of J will take you a long way.  For example, check out:
&gt; 
&gt;    <A  HREF="http://www.ai.mit.edu/extra/icfp-contest/isi.html">http://www.ai.mit.edu/extra/icfp-contest/isi.html</A>
&gt; 
&gt; This is the 229 lines and 7078 characters (including comments and
&gt; development support "dead" code) J program that won honorable
&gt; mention in the ICFP '98 Functional Programming Contest for beating
&gt; out many compiled C programs many times longer, despite being an
&gt; interpreted language.

I heard of J before and your post finally got me to read the docs. J
is somewhat more powerful than Perl, and somewhat less readable than
Intercal. Rather interesting language, in other words. ;)

Seriously, I haven't read the contest rules yet, but I assume they
limit the language selection. Otherwise, you can just write a MUD in
Java or Common LISP (The Language With Everything On, or Did You
Really Think That -Emacs- Was Big? or MMap Twenty Megabytes On
Startup), and use all the available libraries for these languages - as
a result, you'd get really small code indeed, and it'd want to link to
megabytes of runtime environment.

Also note that they rank the entries by maintainability, which rather
limits the use of C obfuscators (or J, for that matter).

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<LI><strong><A NAME="00034" HREF="msg00034.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, 
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#slimy,com">jleonard#slimy,com</a>, Tue 04 Apr 2000, 16:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00049" HREF="msg00049.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>, 
Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Wed 05 Apr 2000, 00:42 GMT
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Cynbe ru Taren <a href="mailto:cynbe#muq,org">cynbe#muq,org</a>, Tue 04 Apr 2000, 05:30 GMT
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