<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens --> <!--X-From-R13: "Frff Zbjr" <grffNunirafbat.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:22:59 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 000401bfa45d$8579d090$50020157#rtc,co.uk --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 004101bfa370$2bb96c20$020101df@JonLambert --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, RE: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:tess#havensong,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00219.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00224.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00147.html">Previous</a> | <a href="">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00223">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00223">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00223">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>RE: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: RE: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Tess Lowe" <<A HREF="mailto:tess#havensong,com">tess#havensong,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:00:15 +0100</LI> <LI><em>Importance</em>: Normal</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> I commented to Jon Lambert: > >However, beyond that, Diversity in all other areas such > >as cultural background, gender, political views, religious > >faith and so on, I believe is a Good Thing. Jon replied: > Here's the rub. I'll posit that you believe it is a _bad_ > thing if they don't > share diversity (read tolerance) as a cherished value. Beyond the core values/goals of a group, what I've noticed is that increasing diversity gives a better chance of a profound and positive community spirit arising in the group. I don't think it is a 'bad thing' if a group is not diverse, nor does a lack of diversity preclude a good sense of community. I *do* think that a group that cherishes intolerance (read 'a lack of diversity') will have difficulty creating a positive sense of community (at least as I understand community, which I defined in my last post), even if intolerance is their 'core value' around which the group is centered . This may however not be immediately obvious since intolerant groups frequently use enemy-formation and enforced conformity to unite their group and enhance a group identity which may initially seem more powerful and effective than community achieved through diversity. I suppose my bottom line is that I certainly accept that it is possible to create a form of community through enforced conformity and intolerance, but I see this as the 'Dark Side' of community building - it's powerful, but it has a negative effect on those involved. Personally, as a player and as a game admin, I prefer the communities I am involved with to be based on diversity and tolerance, but I do concede that such communities are considerably more difficult to develop and maintain, and I have experienced many failures. It's worth it when it works though. ~Tess Lowe _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev mailing list MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00147" HREF="msg00147.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Jon Lambert" <jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00219.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Sony to ban sale ... point of view of an eq veteran</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00224.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] banning the sale of items</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00147.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00223"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00223"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00111" HREF="msg00111.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</A></strong>, Par Winzell <a href="mailto:zell#alyx,com">zell#alyx,com</a>, Mon 10 Apr 2000, 06:50 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00122" HREF="msg00122.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</A></strong>, Zak Jarvis <a href="mailto:zak#voidmonster,com">zak#voidmonster,com</a>, Mon 10 Apr 2000, 17:27 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00139" HREF="msg00139.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Mon 10 Apr 2000, 23:23 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00147" HREF="msg00147.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</A></strong>, Jon Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 11 Apr 2000, 05:08 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00223" HREF="msg00223.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens</A></strong>, Tess Lowe <a href="mailto:tess#havensong,com">tess#havensong,com</a>, Wed 12 Apr 2000, 14:22 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>