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<LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Cynbe ru Taren <<A HREF="mailto:cynbe#muq,org">cynbe#muq,org</A>></LI>
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"Chris Gray" <cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA>:
| ["Jon A. Lambert" <jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com>:]
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| > >Erwin S. Andreasen is organizing a mud competition. The goal is to code
| > >a mud server in the language of your choice with the highest possible
| > >number
| > >of features, in *only* 16 Kb of source code + data files. This doesn't
| > >include the generated binaries and .o files. A few prizes are to be
| > >earned
| > >( such as programming books, a year of free mud hosting ).
|
| Wow, that's not much space! I took a quick look at ToyMUD, to see if there
| was any chance of doing simple changes to shrink it down. However, it
| is 80K of code and 26K in the data file. I doubt I could shrink it to
| 16K without losing some major feature or two. The first step would be
| one of those code obfuscators that removes whitespace and makes all
| identifiers one or two characters.
|
| 16K is enough for a decent MUD, I think, but the result isn't going to
| be anything you'd want to show to your mother! I think a more reasonable
| size count would be one of those program complexity measures, so that
| you could at least read the resulting source code.
Optimal solution is probably a language like J, Haskell or teco
that is more about conciseness than efficiency. :)
16K of J will take you a long way. For example, check out:
<A HREF="http://www.ai.mit.edu/extra/icfp-contest/isi.html">http://www.ai.mit.edu/extra/icfp-contest/isi.html</A>
This is the 229 lines and 7078 characters (including comments and
development support "dead" code) J program that won honorable
mention in the ICFP '98 Functional Programming Contest for
beating out many compiled C programs many times longer, despite
being an interpreted language.
Cynbe
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00028" HREF="msg00028.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 04 Apr 2000, 05:29 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00034" HREF="msg00034.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>,
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#slimy,com">jleonard#slimy,com</a>, Tue 04 Apr 2000, 16:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00049" HREF="msg00049.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>,
Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Wed 05 Apr 2000, 00:42 GMT
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Cynbe ru Taren <a href="mailto:cynbe#muq,org">cynbe#muq,org</a>, Tue 04 Apr 2000, 05:30 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00031" HREF="msg00031.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00043" HREF="msg00043.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fw: 16K mud server competition !</A></strong>,
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