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<LI><em>From</em>: "Raph Koster" &lt;<A HREF="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</A>&gt;</LI>
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&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu [<A  HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu]On">mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu]On</A> Behalf Of
&gt; F. Randall Farmer
&gt; Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:38 PM
&gt; To: mud-dev#kanga,nu
&gt; Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking
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&gt; I haven't been able to complete a _single_ adventure/story game since
&gt; Wizardry in 1984 without referring to either a hint book/friend
&gt; (pre-internet) or a walkthru (since internet) at LEAST once.
&gt;
&gt; I've walked away from MANY adventure games because I had to go
&gt; back for the "cheat" one to many times (or didn't have any help.)
&gt;
&gt; I know _lots_ of folks in this category. In fact, I know very few who've
&gt; completed any solo "epic" (100hrs+) without assistance.

I'm with ya! And I think a real problem with being in the gaming industry is
that we interact with too many who ARE that competent. There's also a peer
pressure factor--it's difficult to be in the game industry and admit to that
level of incompetence. :)

&gt; This is all besides the point. Single player games -aren't- MPGs, for
&gt; reasons outlined by many others here (including Ryan.)
&gt;
&gt; Apples and Oranges, says I. :-)

Well, they are both still fruit, in that excessive difficulty, as Ryan
points out, will still chase away users of both types of games. :)

-Raph




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<LI><strong><A NAME="00454" HREF="msg00454.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, 
Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 02:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00446" HREF="msg00446.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, 
Ryan Palacio <a href="mailto:rpalacio#verant,com">rpalacio#verant,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 01:34 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00453" HREF="msg00453.html">Re PRIVATE [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, 
Kristen L. Koster <a href="mailto:koster#eden,com">koster#eden,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 02:33 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00457" HREF="msg00457.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, 
F. Randall Farmer <a href="mailto:randy#communities,com">randy#communities,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 03:42 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00465" HREF="msg00465.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, 
Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00469" HREF="msg00469.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, 
Ryan Palacio <a href="mailto:rpalacio#verant,com">rpalacio#verant,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00466" HREF="msg00466.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, 
Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00448" HREF="msg00448.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, 
Timothy Dang <a href="mailto:tdang#U,Arizona.EDU">tdang#U,Arizona.EDU</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 01:44 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00462" HREF="msg00462.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, 
Frank Crowell <a href="mailto:maddog#maddog,com">maddog#maddog,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT
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