<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking --> <!--X-From-R13: "Dncu Ybfgre" <exbfgreNnhfgva.ee.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:55:45 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: NDBBLCGJMLFJLCDOFPLMIECICIAA.rkoster#austin,rr.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 008b01bfa99f$fd3582e0$89328e18#cablecoop,ispchannel.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00467.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00466.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00457.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00469.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00465">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00465">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00465">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Raph Koster" <<A HREF="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:15:02 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Importance</em>: Normal</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> > -----Original Message----- > From: mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu [<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu]On">mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu]On</A> Behalf Of > F. Randall Farmer > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:38 PM > To: mud-dev#kanga,nu > Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking > > I haven't been able to complete a _single_ adventure/story game since > Wizardry in 1984 without referring to either a hint book/friend > (pre-internet) or a walkthru (since internet) at LEAST once. > > I've walked away from MANY adventure games because I had to go > back for the "cheat" one to many times (or didn't have any help.) > > I know _lots_ of folks in this category. In fact, I know very few who've > completed any solo "epic" (100hrs+) without assistance. I'm with ya! And I think a real problem with being in the gaming industry is that we interact with too many who ARE that competent. There's also a peer pressure factor--it's difficult to be in the game industry and admit to that level of incompetence. :) > This is all besides the point. Single player games -aren't- MPGs, for > reasons outlined by many others here (including Ryan.) > > Apples and Oranges, says I. :-) Well, they are both still fruit, in that excessive difficulty, as Ryan points out, will still chase away users of both types of games. :) -Raph _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev mailing list MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00457" HREF="msg00457.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "F. 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Koster <a href="mailto:koster#eden,com">koster#eden,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 02:33 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00457" HREF="msg00457.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, F. Randall Farmer <a href="mailto:randy#communities,com">randy#communities,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 03:42 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00465" HREF="msg00465.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00469" HREF="msg00469.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, Ryan Palacio <a href="mailto:rpalacio#verant,com">rpalacio#verant,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT </LI> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00466" HREF="msg00466.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT </LI> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00448" HREF="msg00448.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, Timothy Dang <a href="mailto:tdang#U,Arizona.EDU">tdang#U,Arizona.EDU</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 01:44 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00462" HREF="msg00462.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>, Frank Crowell <a href="mailto:maddog#maddog,com">maddog#maddog,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>