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<LI><em>From</em>: "Ryan Palacio" <<A HREF="mailto:rpalacio#verant,com">rpalacio#verant,com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:48:48 -0700</LI>
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F. Randall Farmer wrote:
> I haven't been able to complete a _single_ adventure/story game since
> Wizardry in 1984 without referring to either a hint book/friend
> (pre-internet) or a walkthru (since internet) at LEAST once.
These represent knowledge. Something I am a proponent of trading. The
issue I was attempting to address was the need for material goods.
> I've walked away from MANY adventure games because I had to go
> back for the "cheat" one to many times (or didn't have any help.)
Perfect example of why I choose to devoid MMORPGs of _player_ skill and/or
reflex
> This is all besides the point. Single player games -aren't- MPGs, for
> reasons
> outlined by many others here (including Ryan.)
My intent was not to compare the two but rather contrast the mentalities of
rugged determination vs. lack thereof
> Oh yeah, in _social_ situations, Raphs comments have been confirmed over
> and over: Get newbies in touch with an experienced user within 2 minutes,
> and the chance of getting an "active" user increase at least 10 fold.
On this point, there is no contest from me :)
~Ryan Palacio
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00446" HREF="msg00446.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>,
Ryan Palacio <a href="mailto:rpalacio#verant,com">rpalacio#verant,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 01:34 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00453" HREF="msg00453.html">Re PRIVATE [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>,
Kristen L. Koster <a href="mailto:koster#eden,com">koster#eden,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 02:33 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00457" HREF="msg00457.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>,
F. Randall Farmer <a href="mailto:randy#communities,com">randy#communities,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 03:42 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00465" HREF="msg00465.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>,
Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00469" HREF="msg00469.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>,
Ryan Palacio <a href="mailto:rpalacio#verant,com">rpalacio#verant,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00466" HREF="msg00466.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>,
Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00448" HREF="msg00448.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>,
Timothy Dang <a href="mailto:tdang#U,Arizona.EDU">tdang#U,Arizona.EDU</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 01:44 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00462" HREF="msg00462.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Justifying twinking</A></strong>,
Frank Crowell <a href="mailto:maddog#maddog,com">maddog#maddog,com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 18:55 GMT
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