<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars --> <!--X-From-R13: "Urbsserl O. 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MacDougall" <<A HREF="mailto:geoffrey#poptronik,com">geoffrey#poptronik,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:32:41 -0400</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Jeff Freeman wrote: > Eventually, maybe we'll have a MUD that no one can kill That is a brilliant solution - again - forgive my technical ignorance - but I think you're on to something really, really cool... The primary argument that has been advanced against the establishment of a stead-fast Charter of Rights and Freedoms ala the rw is the existence of a person who is able to kill everything on a whim. Now - in line with my last post - when the cat gets out of the bag, you are forced with the reality that you are no longer able to recapture it. So - take the architecture of individual games in Diablo. When someone creates a game, the game is hosted on their box. If the creator chooses to leave, the game is transfered onto someone else's box. In this model, although the creator intiated the process, by inviting others in to play, they have voluntarily rendered themselves powerless to kill what they created. If this distributed server architecture were to be applied to a MUD, you would no longer have someone capable of flicking a switch, and would therefore have a MUD where it was possible to have a stead-fast charter of rights and freedoms. The moment the game was created, and its players logged on, the game would continue to exist regardless of the will of its Creator. Therefore, the Creator, to maintain their presence within the world, would have to abide by the social contract, and we could - LEGITIMATELY - assign steadfast and meaningful rights to avatars. Thoughts? Any hobbyists willing to give this a shot? Does it already exist somewhere, and if so, has it been proven to work? Cheers, G. www.intangibleproductions.com _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev mailing list MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00415.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00420.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The scalability of paying for in-game things</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00415.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00473.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00418"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00418"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00381" HREF="msg00381.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services <a href="mailto:Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com">Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 20:17 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00409" HREF="msg00409.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Geoffrey A. MacDougall <a href="mailto:geoffrey@poptronik.com">geoffrey@poptronik.com</a>, Tue 18 Apr 2000, 19:48 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00423" HREF="msg00423.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Geoffrey A. MacDougall <a href="mailto:geoffrey@poptronik.com">geoffrey@poptronik.com</a>, Tue 18 Apr 2000, 19:48 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00415" HREF="msg00415.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Jon Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc@ix.netcom.com">jlsysinc@ix.netcom.com</a>, Tue 18 Apr 2000, 19:48 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00418" HREF="msg00418.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Geoffrey A. MacDougall <a href="mailto:geoffrey@poptronik.com">geoffrey@poptronik.com</a>, Tue 18 Apr 2000, 19:49 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00473" HREF="msg00473.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services <a href="mailto:Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com">Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com</a>, Wed 19 Apr 2000, 19:51 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00270" HREF="msg00270.html">[MUD-Dev] Quoting.</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw@kanga.nu">claw@kanga.nu</a>, Sat 15 Apr 2000, 05:38 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00269" HREF="msg00269.html">[MUD-Dev] meets</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:the_logos@achaea.com">the_logos@achaea.com</a>, Sat 15 Apr 2000, 05:11 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00378" HREF="msg00378.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] meets</A></strong>, adam <a href="mailto:adam@treyarch.com">adam@treyarch.com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 20:17 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>