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<LI><em>Subject</em>: RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: "Raph Koster" <<A HREF="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</A>></LI>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu [<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu]On">mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu]On</A> Behalf Of
> Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:54 AM
> To: mud-dev#kanga,nu
> Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account
>
>
>
> Daniel said:
> > > I've been especially disappointed in the graphical MMORPGs.
> Family? They
> > > don't even have NPC children. Because, I'm supposing,
> someone somewhere
> > > decided that it wasn't the least bit important. Waste of
> disk space for
> > > the art, waste of system resources to have them in-game.
> It's not as if
> > > anyone wants to pretend those are real towns with real people in
> > > them anyway.
> >
>
> Raph replied:
> > Actually, in UO's case it was because a) we were concerned about the
vast
> > potential for nastiness (children-killing, pedophilia, etc), and b) we
> > didn't actually finish the artwork. The former is worth discussing on
the
> > list, I think: the viability of children, and children-specific
> > environments, particularly in comemrcial ventures.
>
> Isn't this mixing apples and oranges? I think Daniel was talking about
children
> as _characters_ in the game and not children as _players_ of the game.
Doesn't matter.
> Why is children-killing worse than player-killing, if both are really
being
> played by an adult (or even if they are not)?
Because people in our culture see it that way. *shrug* Out of my hands, they
just do.
> Should child-killing in a game offend us in a way that
> killing other innocents does not?
A basic MMORPG design lesson for me was that sociological questions starting
with "should" should be considered a waste of time. Take human nature as a
given, don't try to code around it. ;) The fact is that it DOES offend most
people most of the time. You just deal with the fact, not try to change it.
> I don't know the answers to these questions, but I thought this might be
> interesting to explore. I think the important thing is to have
> appropriate
> in-game consequences for those characters who practice evil of
> any sort, but I
> can see how giving any kind of opportunity for gamers to
> role-play a pedophile
> is very disturbing. Of course, there really isn't much to
> prevent them from
> role-playing a pedophile in current MMORPGs, they just have no
> way of acting it
> out in public.
The lack of children artwork helps reduce the occurences of it, basically.
There's a reason no major children-oriented chat spaces have hit it big yet:
the cost of policing is sky-high.
> Administratively speaking, I would think that
> this type of
> behavior could be handled just like you currently handle lewd or
> offensive
> behavior on the part of gamers (such as attempting to act out a
> rape, etc.).
EG, manually. Except that you have to be much more careful because the
victims are kids, which means it costs more: in an adult environment you
settle for post facto punishment, in a kids' environment the children's
parents will demand a priori prevention.
-Raph
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<LI><STRONG>RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00232" HREF="msg00232.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services <a href="mailto:Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com">Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com</a>, Fri 14 Apr 2000, 02:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00263" HREF="msg00263.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster@austin.rr.com">rkoster@austin.rr.com</a>, Sat 15 Apr 2000, 05:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00266" HREF="msg00266.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:the_logos@achaea.com">the_logos@achaea.com</a>, Sat 15 Apr 2000, 05:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00246" HREF="msg00246.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services <a href="mailto:Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com">Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com</a>, Fri 14 Apr 2000, 02:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00261" HREF="msg00261.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster@austin.rr.com">rkoster@austin.rr.com</a>, Sat 15 Apr 2000, 05:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00515" HREF="msg00515.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw@kanga.nu">claw@kanga.nu</a>, Sat 22 Apr 2000, 04:31 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00247" HREF="msg00247.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Jeff Freeman <a href="mailto:SkeptAck@antisocial.com">SkeptAck@antisocial.com</a>, Fri 14 Apr 2000, 02:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00234" HREF="msg00234.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services <a href="mailto:Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com">Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com</a>, Fri 14 Apr 2000, 02:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00260" HREF="msg00260.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster@austin.rr.com">rkoster@austin.rr.com</a>, Sat 15 Apr 2000, 05:11 GMT
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