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<LI><em>From</em>: Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services <<A HREF="mailto:Paul.Schwanz#east,sun.com">Paul.Schwanz#east,sun.com</A>></LI>
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Daniel said:
> > I've been especially disappointed in the graphical MMORPGs. Family? They
> > don't even have NPC children. Because, I'm supposing, someone somewhere
> > decided that it wasn't the least bit important. Waste of disk space for
> > the art, waste of system resources to have them in-game. It's not as if
> > anyone wants to pretend those are real towns with real people in
> > them anyway.
>
Raph replied:
> Actually, in UO's case it was because a) we were concerned about the vast
> potential for nastiness (children-killing, pedophilia, etc), and b) we
> didn't actually finish the artwork. The former is worth discussing on the
> list, I think: the viability of children, and children-specific
> environments, particularly in comemrcial ventures.
Isn't this mixing apples and oranges? I think Daniel was talking about children
as _characters_ in the game and not children as _players_ of the game.
Why is children-killing worse than player-killing, if both are really being
played by an adult (or even if they are not)? When one is role-playing evil, is
there some RL effect that child-killing will have on them that player-killing
other innocents will not? In other words, if we are saying that child-killing
in a game can somehow pervert the gamer, might we not need to rethink
player-killing as well? Should child-killing in a game offend us in a way that
killing other innocents does not?
I don't know the answers to these questions, but I thought this might be
interesting to explore. I think the important thing is to have appropriate
in-game consequences for those characters who practice evil of any sort, but I
can see how giving any kind of opportunity for gamers to role-play a pedophile
is very disturbing. Of course, there really isn't much to prevent them from
role-playing a pedophile in current MMORPGs, they just have no way of acting it
out in public. Administratively speaking, I would think that this type of
behavior could be handled just like you currently handle lewd or offensive
behavior on the part of gamers (such as attempting to act out a rape, etc.).
--Phinehas
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00195" HREF="msg00195.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Jeff Freeman <a href="mailto:SkeptAck@antisocial.com">SkeptAck@antisocial.com</a>, Wed 12 Apr 2000, 04:03 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00232" HREF="msg00232.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services <a href="mailto:Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com">Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com</a>, Fri 14 Apr 2000, 02:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00263" HREF="msg00263.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster@austin.rr.com">rkoster@austin.rr.com</a>, Sat 15 Apr 2000, 05:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00266" HREF="msg00266.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:the_logos@achaea.com">the_logos@achaea.com</a>, Sat 15 Apr 2000, 05:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00246" HREF="msg00246.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00261" HREF="msg00261.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster@austin.rr.com">rkoster@austin.rr.com</a>, Sat 15 Apr 2000, 05:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00515" HREF="msg00515.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00247" HREF="msg00247.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00234" HREF="msg00234.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Family, was characters per account</A></strong>,
Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services <a href="mailto:Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com">Paul.Schwanz@east.sun.com</a>, Fri 14 Apr 2000, 02:51 GMT
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