<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Open Source Environments (was: Open Source OnlineGaming) --> <!--X-From-R13: @nguna T Kbfcr <lbfcrNunjnvv.rqh> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:36:42 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.GSO.4.21.0003161522490.18119-100000@uhunix2 --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 38D134ED.3DD#home,com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Open Source Environments (was: Open Source Onlin</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00641.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00644.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00636.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00596.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00643">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00643">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00643">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Open Source Environments (was: Open Source OnlineGaming)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Open Source Environments (was: Open Source OnlineGaming)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Nathan F Yospe <<A HREF="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:29:56 -1000</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, scott guzman wrote: : What's needed, however, is something like Be OS as opposed to :something like Linux, where the name of the game is "thou must give away :all your hard work for free after a given amount of time". I mean, it's :no coincidence that Mac OS will have Be OS as its kernel in its much :ballyhooed Mac OS X (gotta love the double entendre of Mac OS 10 and :Windows X :-) ). But wait a second, I've moved beyond a programming Er... MacOS X is based on OpenSTEP, the NeXT OS, which is based on a BSD/Mach 3 kernel. BeOS, on the other hand, is closed source, but is now free, now runs on x86 only, and supports POSIX, an open *standard*. Which seems to be what you're advocating for mud programming, anyhow. :language into a mudding environment, haven't I? Well, it's certainly :another thing that I think could benefit from being open source :-). :Actually, I think that in possibly as little as 10 years, virtually all :personal computer environments will be using the same, albeit :multiflavoured OS. I think this because for the past few decades, Unix :has been gaining favour like crazy. At first, it started with.. what was :it? Minicomputers? Then it dominated that arena. Now it's started moving :into the personal computer arena; Linux showed some promise, but I :personally think that one of its big breaks will be Be OS as the Mac OS :Kernel. And I think no wiz programmer is fooled by where Microsoft's :"New Technology" came from; oh sure, title changes and the microsoft way :of putting a slash the other way around (or labelling things different :names to 'prove' that their stuff is actually 'new'), but I think these :wizes know that it's just Unix with Microsoft stamped on it. NT is a bastardized hybrid of DOS based Windows and bits of BSD. That's very different from having a BSD kernel... and nothing remotely like a unix with M$ stamped on it... And, interestingly, Windows is the *only* non-POSIX OS left after Apple finishes its metamorphasis. : So here's to a new Unix/Mud/Mac/PC-OS that I'm hoping to see one day :(I feel that muds will be the true killer app of the internet; It seems :to me that it'd be easier to put everything on a mud then everything on :a browser- but either way, I can't see anything other then the 2 :merging; and it's been said before that browsers could become the new :operating systems; I feel that the Mud/Browser/Unix combination :definitely will). See Scott's mud-on-a-web-page... But honestly, I think the future belongs to muds closer to CivNet, QIII, and UO than to the ones you are proposing. After all, they have funds; open source as a model for commercial ventures suffers in this regard. Usually. -- Nathan F. Yospe - Born in the year of the tiger, riding it forever after <A HREF="http://www2.hawaii.edu/~yospe">http://www2.hawaii.edu/~yospe</A> nathan.yospe#isearch,com yospe#hawaii,edu Don't mind me, I'm just insane... there's someone else here in my brain. _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev mailing list MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00636" HREF="msg00636.html">[MUD-Dev] Open Source Environments (was: Open Source Online Gaming)</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> scott guzman <shade2x#home,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00641.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Open Source Environments</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00644.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] CGDC dinner</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00636.html">[MUD-Dev] Open Source Environments (was: Open Source Online Gaming)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00596.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: GDC Dinner</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00643"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00643"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>RE: [MUD-Dev] Open Source Online Gaming</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00599" HREF="msg00599.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Open Source Online Gaming</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 14 Mar 2000, 20:56 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00621" HREF="msg00621.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Open Source Online Gaming</A></strong>, Derek Snider <a href="mailto:derek#idirect,com">derek#idirect,com</a>, Thu 16 Mar 2000, 05:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00628" HREF="msg00628.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Open Source Online Gaming</A></strong>, Aaron Mitchell <a href="mailto:aaron#fate,net">aaron#fate,net</a>, Thu 16 Mar 2000, 16:57 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00636" HREF="msg00636.html">[MUD-Dev] Open Source Environments (was: Open Source Online Gaming)</A></strong>, scott guzman <a href="mailto:shade2x#home,com">shade2x#home,com</a>, Thu 16 Mar 2000, 22:26 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00643" HREF="msg00643.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Open Source Environments (was: Open Source OnlineGaming)</A></strong>, Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Fri 17 Mar 2000, 02:36 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00596" HREF="msg00596.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: GDC Dinner</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Mon 13 Mar 2000, 21:32 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00601" HREF="msg00601.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: GDC Dinner</A></strong>, Justin Rogers <a href="mailto:justin#mlstoday,com">justin#mlstoday,com</a>, Tue 14 Mar 2000, 20:56 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00588" HREF="msg00588.html">[MUD-Dev] (OT) Admin: Library memberships</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Mon 13 Mar 2000, 09:17 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00586" HREF="msg00586.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #302 - 6 msgs</A></strong>, Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#realtime,net">cat#realtime,net</a>, Mon 13 Mar 2000, 07:02 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>