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<LI><em>From</em>: "Laurent Bossavit" &lt;<A HREF="mailto:bossavit#cybercable,fr">bossavit#cybercable,fr</A>&gt;</LI>
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[On databases in general]

I wouldn't use MySQL - the fastest SQL database around - for a MUD. 
It's optimized for ultra-frequent fetches of small to medium large 
chunks of information; our databases services 50 queries/sec and 
about a quarter of a gigabyte. It all fits on one (admittedly beefed 
up) machine. But I wouldn't use any of the "big" databases either; 
they are optimized to scale to terabytes of data, with robustness and 
consistency of the data given much higher priority than performance.

Fact is, I wouldn't consider using an SQL database for a M* type 
application; it's too much of a pain to map SQL records to the object 
oriented data used in most such software. My wish would be for a 
native XML data store, with the ease of use and top-notch performance 
of MySQL, and a query language as useful and usable as SQL. This 
would be perfect for a MUD, and in fact many other types of 
applications - with a good XML database you don't need SQL, you don't 
need an OODBMS (XML-Data bindings do the OO part, the data store does 
the dirty work), you don't need much of anything. Unfortunately there 
isn't such a thing out there yet.

Sigh.


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<LI><strong><A NAME="00100" HREF="msg00100.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases</A></strong>, 
T. Alexander Popiel <a href="mailto:popiel#wolfskeep,com">popiel#wolfskeep,com</a>, Sun 16 Jan 2000, 18:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00104" HREF="msg00104.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Databases</A></strong>, 
Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Mon 17 Jan 2000, 19:54 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00108" HREF="msg00108.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: Databases</A></strong>, 
Sellers, Michael <a href="mailto:MSellers#maxis,com">MSellers#maxis,com</a>, Mon 17 Jan 2000, 22:02 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00111" HREF="msg00111.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Databases</A></strong>, 
Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Mon 17 Jan 2000, 22:27 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00112" HREF="msg00112.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Databases</A></strong>, 
Laurent Bossavit <a href="mailto:bossavit#cybercable,fr">bossavit#cybercable,fr</a>, Mon 17 Jan 2000, 23:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00113" HREF="msg00113.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Databases</A></strong>, 
Dream Weaver at home <a href="mailto:windminstrel#home,net">windminstrel#home,net</a>, Tue 18 Jan 2000, 02:18 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00245" HREF="msg00245.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Databases</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sun 30 Jan 2000, 21:45 GMT
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