<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations --> <!--X-From-R13: X Q Znjerapr <pynjNxnatn.ah> --> <!--X-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:35:09 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: E12Enwu-0004nK-00#dingo,kanga.nu --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.4.10.10001191321340.19597-100000#gummy,adhesive.com --> <!--X-Reference: 3.0.3.32.20000121105941.00ba7100#mail,communities.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00235.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00237.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00210.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00164.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00236">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00236">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00236">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:35:04 -0800</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:59:41 -0800 F Randall Farmer <randy#communities,com> wrote: > A question: In what way do you manifest yourself as the immortal? My general preference: Never do. Never have a presence in the game as an admin or "immortal". Never have an identity in the game that can be isolated or identified as functioning as an admin. You can of course have various "tester" characters that you mess with as an admin (checking say that various functions work as designed), but they need to be obvious drones and not actually "player characters" that compete with or fuction either as competition for players or as targets for appeals. While it is possible to manage having a player character that is known to be run by an admin, and to keep the roles and activities of each sufficiently different in-game, I've found that the people capable of doing such are vanishingly rare. Given a known admin player character, accusations of favourtism, preferential treatment, hobby horsing, bias, vendetta, and all the other sorts of unpleasant politiking and human emotion and reaction will almost certainly occur, and worse, are indefensible. It is easy to accuse someone of being biased. It is next to impossible to prove that one is not. My preference is to keep all Admin/Immortal communications OOB as concerns the game. It can be in email, via a weblog or board of some sort, IRC, whatever, but always in a form and venue outside of the MUD itself. There were recently a few comments between Raph an myself on this area in reference to Raph's position as Designer Dragon on UOL, and how his abstraction from the game helped his position there. The following is one of my posts on the area. You should be able to find others both by thread and picking keywords: <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/archives/MUD-Dev-L/1999Q4/msg00473.html">http://www.kanga.nu/archives/MUD-Dev-L/1999Q4/msg00473.html</A> > [Of course, I've never built a combat-mud like most of you here > seem to build.] At one point MUD-Dev had a strong population of Talker/Tiny-clan authors/users. Unfortunately we scared/ran 'em off. I regret this. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw#kanga,nu ----------(*) Other: coder#kanga,nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00162" HREF="msg00162.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Wes Connell <wconnell#adhesive,com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00210" HREF="msg00210.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "F. Randall Farmer" <randy#communities,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00235.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RE: [adv-mud] What good is a hero when nobody knows?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00237.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00210.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00164.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00236"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00236"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00196" HREF="msg00196.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Fri 21 Jan 2000, 03:43 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00162" HREF="msg00162.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Wes Connell <a href="mailto:wconnell#adhesive,com">wconnell#adhesive,com</a>, Wed 19 Jan 2000, 18:32 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00163" HREF="msg00163.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Marc Bowden <a href="mailto:ryumo#merit,edu">ryumo#merit,edu</a>, Wed 19 Jan 2000, 18:52 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00210" HREF="msg00210.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, F. Randall Farmer <a href="mailto:randy#communities,com">randy#communities,com</a>, Fri 21 Jan 2000, 19:25 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00236" HREF="msg00236.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sun 30 Jan 2000, 06:35 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00164" HREF="msg00164.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Dundee <a href="mailto:SkeptAck#antisocial,com">SkeptAck#antisocial,com</a>, Wed 19 Jan 2000, 18:56 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00135" HREF="msg00135.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Travis S. Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Tue 18 Jan 2000, 20:52 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00246" HREF="msg00246.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sun 30 Jan 2000, 21:57 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00157" HREF="msg00157.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Wed 19 Jan 2000, 17:49 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>