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<LI><em>From</em>: Marian Griffith <<A HREF="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:38:42 +0000 (GMT)</LI>
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On Tue 18 Jan, Jon A. Lambert wrote:
> Dundee wrote:
> > The player was banned for being insulting to me.
> I understand that these are very common policies throughout the
> "mudding" universe.
> "Thy shall not insult or offend any member of the administration"
> and
> "Thy shall not insult or offend any player"
> Note that the former is usually enforced with great enthusiasm, while
> enforcement of the latter is haphazard and oftentimes explicitly
> non-existent.
> Any thoughts as to why this is so?
That is easy :) The person's capable of executing the punishment are
all falling in the first category. So insulting an admin means you
are angering somebody capable of immediate and definitive retribution
Insulting a player means the victim must convince the same admin that
the insult was indeed worthy of being banned for. Unless you are very
creative or persistent the admin will have a lot more room for sober
reflection in the second case.
> Do such policies introduce a "class" system into a muds social
> structure regardless of whether the administration is faceless or not?
I think not. It is simply psychology.
> Don't such obtuse policies essentially boil down to
> "You can be banned at our whim"?
That is true on the other hand, but most admin try to behave. Most of
the time. But I recall a policy statement of the admin of (I think it
was) Island mud, that boiled down to: admin must be irrational and
frequently kill players for no apparent reason, otherwise players can
gain immortal ranks simply by being persistent.
I admit it is not quite the same as banning, but the sentiment is the
same, I do not doubt ;)
> What is it about administration personnel that makes them so much
> more delicate and important when it comes to being insulted or
> offended?
Nothing, they are simply capable of immediate retribution.
Marian
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00197" HREF="msg00197.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>,
Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 21 Jan 2000, 03:52 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00131" HREF="msg00131.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>,
Dundee <a href="mailto:SkeptAck#antisocial,com">SkeptAck#antisocial,com</a>, Tue 18 Jan 2000, 20:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00130" HREF="msg00130.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>,
Marc Bowden <a href="mailto:ryumo#merit,edu">ryumo#merit,edu</a>, Tue 18 Jan 2000, 20:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00132" HREF="msg00132.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>,
Douglas Couch <a href="mailto:dscouch#purdue,edu">dscouch#purdue,edu</a>, Tue 18 Jan 2000, 20:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00133" HREF="msg00133.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Tue 18 Jan 2000, 20:52 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00134" HREF="msg00134.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>,
Eli Stevens (Grey) <a href="mailto:ens017#mizzou,edu">ens017#mizzou,edu</a>, Tue 18 Jan 2000, 20:52 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00140" HREF="msg00140.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>,
Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Tue 18 Jan 2000, 22:14 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00146" HREF="msg00146.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>,
Raph & Kristen Koster <a href="mailto:koster#eden,com">koster#eden,com</a>, Wed 19 Jan 2000, 03:32 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00152" HREF="msg00152.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>,
Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Wed 19 Jan 2000, 07:15 GMT
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