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<LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence &lt;<A HREF="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</A>&gt;</LI>
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:06:31 -0600
From: Chris Jacobson &lt;fear#technologist,com&gt;
To: "Advanced MUD Design" &lt;adv-mud#egroups,com&gt;

On 1/20/00 2:22 PM, Erwin S. Andreasen (erwin#andreasen,com) stated:

LexiMUD 0.3 (<A  HREF="http://avp.dhs.org/leximud">http://avp.dhs.org/leximud</A>) features some things that may be 
of interest:

&gt;STL

I have implemented my own derivative of STL.  It is fully compliant to 
the STL interface, and is safe for drop-in use in existing MUDs.  To do 
this, one of the things I did with &lt;list&gt; is to make the nodes reference 
counted and "purged"-flagged (which causes iterators to step over the 
node).  As for the other classes, well, doing something like this with 
&lt;vector&gt; would involve a little more overhead, and the preferred 
mechanism for accessing a &lt;vector&gt; is incrementally with numbers (hence 
why the optimized &lt;vector&gt; uses vector&lt;&gt;::__start and vector&lt;&gt;::__end+1 
for its begin() and end() iters).

The implemented classes include &lt;list&gt;, &lt;vector&gt;, &lt;map&gt;, &lt;multimap&gt;.  So 
far these classes pass all the STLport tests that I have thrown at it 
(although I haven't fully tested &lt;vector&gt; with the STLport tests, it runs 
great in the MUD).  There are other important portions of the STL 
included as well, and it supports the full type_traits and 
iterator_traits scheme.

The LexiSTL is in lexi/stl.

&gt;Strings

I have a semi-tested String class in lexi/src/string.{h,cp}  Strings are 
reference counted and use a sub-string mechanism to allow for optimum 
memory efficiency, and the operations are a bit optimized towards the 
mechanism.  All Strings are effectively substrings, referencing the 
internal String class, and storing the offset and length.  These strings 
are also compatible with C strings in that attempting to access them in 
C-like ways causes them to convert themselves over to a single-reference 
of only the content string itself (thus de-referencing the shared string).

&gt;Virtual overlaid filesystem (not REALLY an OO issue, it just happens the
&gt;thing is implemented in an OO way)

I'd love to see something like this, and if I ever get the time I might 
even do it.

&gt;gcc switches, gcc vs egcs, -fexternal-templates or not

Isn't this a NULL issue with GCC 2.95 being done by the EGCS committee 
(GCC is Dead, Long Live GCC)

&gt;OO Interpreters
&gt;Pointerless Muds
&gt;Non C++ OO implementation/how-tos

This brings me to something I've been looking into - reimplementing the 
whole codebase in Python &lt;g&gt;.  I bought the book Erwin recommended, and I 
love the language.

- - Chris Jacobson

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<LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] MUD-Dev vs. adv-mud</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00206" HREF="msg00206.html">[MUD-Dev] MUD-Dev vs. adv-mud</A></strong>, 
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00204" HREF="msg00204.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [adv-mud] MUD-Dev vs. adv-mud</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Fri 21 Jan 2000, 06:34 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00201" HREF="msg00201.html">[MUD-Dev] [adv-mud] Spellbound Hierarchy and Keys (fwd)</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Fri 21 Jan 2000, 04:39 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00231" HREF="msg00231.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] [adv-mud] Spellbound Hierarchy and Keys (fwd)</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sat 29 Jan 2000, 20:46 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00187" HREF="msg00187.html">[MUD-Dev] [adv-mud] Re: Topic list repost (fwd)</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Thu 20 Jan 2000, 23:41 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00186" HREF="msg00186.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [adv-mud] What good is a hero when nobody knows?</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Thu 20 Jan 2000, 23:34 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00207" HREF="msg00207.html">[MUD-Dev] RE: [adv-mud] What good is a hero when nobody knows?</A></strong>, 
phlUID <a href="mailto:phluid#mindless,com">phluid#mindless,com</a>, Fri 21 Jan 2000, 06:37 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00235" HREF="msg00235.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RE: [adv-mud] What good is a hero when nobody knows?</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sun 30 Jan 2000, 05:13 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00239" HREF="msg00239.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RE: [adv-mud] What good is a hero when nobody knows?</A></strong>, 
Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greearb#candelatech,com">greearb#candelatech,com</a>, Sun 30 Jan 2000, 17:40 GMT
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