<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] player persistence --> <!--X-From-R13: [nggurj [vunyl <qvnoybNorfg.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:15:16 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.BSF.4.21.0002242149410.7138-100000#shell9,ba.best.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] player persistence</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:diablo#best,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00470.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00472.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00478.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00465.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00471">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00471">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00471">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] player persistence</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] player persistence</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Matthew Mihaly <<A HREF="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:11:54 -0800 (PST)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> One of Raph's 'Laws of Online Game Design' is to never trust the client. Something just happened in Achaea that shouldn't have surprised me, but did. When our players start out in the game, they get X amount of tokens that they can use to learn skills, and X amount of a different kind that can be, over some time, transformed into the tokens you use to raise your skills. Anyway, to stop people from just creating newbies and installing hitting the roulette tables, betting the tokens that are used to learn skills, and then creating another one if they lose, until they have massive winnings, I don't let people gamble until level 15. The first 20 levels are fairly easy to get through. If you knew tons of quests to do, you could get there in an hour, but it probably took him generally 2 to 6 hours, depending on how busy the game was. Over and over, he got to level 15, bet all his tokens on number 16, and then suicided (deleted himself) when he lost. He did this for 6 straight days, 13 hours a day, until finally he won, and got himself what would normally cost about US $240 to buy. In retrospect, not plugging that loophole was stupid. I knew it was there, I just didn't think anyone would have that kind of persistentce. If there's a pot of gold at the end, at least some players will endure nearly anything to get there. --matt _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00470.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00472.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00478.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] [Off-topic] GDC-2000</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00465.html">[MUD-Dev] (fwd) ADMIN: "A Classification Of Muds" [was 'In defence of stock muds...']</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00471"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00471"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] [Off-topic] GDC-2000</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00576" HREF="msg00576.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] [Off-topic] GDC-2000</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#cp,net">claw#cp,net</a>, Thu 09 Mar 2000, 00:42 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00495" HREF="msg00495.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] [Off-topic] GDC-2000</A></strong>, David Bennett <a href="mailto:ddt#discworld,imaginary.com">ddt#discworld,imaginary.com</a>, Mon 28 Feb 2000, 22:58 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00556" HREF="msg00556.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] [Off-topic] GDC-2000</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sun 05 Mar 2000, 19:58 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00478" HREF="msg00478.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] [Off-topic] GDC-2000</A></strong>, Justin Lockshaw <a href="mailto:jlockshaw#signio,com">jlockshaw#signio,com</a>, Sat 26 Feb 2000, 18:38 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00471" HREF="msg00471.html">[MUD-Dev] player persistence</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 25 Feb 2000, 06:15 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00465" HREF="msg00465.html">[MUD-Dev] (fwd) ADMIN: "A Classification Of Muds" [was 'In defence of stock muds...']</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Thu 24 Feb 2000, 03:54 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00464" HREF="msg00464.html">[MUD-Dev] (fwd) Re: Commercial-use Restrictions on Code Bases (was: help me find 100% free graphical mud)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Thu 24 Feb 2000, 03:50 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00462" HREF="msg00462.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #288 - 9 msgs</A></strong>, Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#realtime,net">cat#realtime,net</a>, Thu 24 Feb 2000, 03:45 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00463" HREF="msg00463.html">[MUD-Dev] Distribution</A></strong>, Geir Harald Hansen <a href="mailto:geirhans#ifi,uio.no">geirhans#ifi,uio.no</a>, Thu 24 Feb 2000, 03:45 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>