<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xba O. 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Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:55:23 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Matthew Mihaly wrote: > Like the way people generally tend to act? Given that I have yet to meet > someone who does not bend morality to fit circumstances, it's hardly a > surprise that admins do it. Christians are against murder, unless it's > done on a really large scale it seems. There there Matt. You need to find another bogeyman to beat. At least dare I suggest, "publicly". We Christians haven't been let on a really good rampage in such a long time. The last two centuries have been quite the party for the "enlightened atheist". Yeah I know, atheists are against murder, but they seem to do it on an incredibly really large scale. They do put the E in efficiency. Now I'll stop here and apology in advance for my bigotry and stereotyping. Anyhow isn't this the anti-thesis of the topic "Community Relations". Presumably WE want better relations not worse. The collective WE, meaning mud-dev is frankly interested in better relations. Ooops, that's a mistake, eh? I mean what right do I have to even begin to speak for such a diverse group. Anti-patterns of mud administration are good fodder I think, and appropriate in the realm of what not to do. Defending a bad example in the context of the rights of an administrator to do it, doesn't really turn bad around to good, nor does it prevent a sort of community judgment or consensus forming that "doing X is a bad thing". Nor is community consensus always a bad thing. I acknowledge there can be a lot of corner cases here, where the beneficial qualities of some administrative actions aren't immediately obvious. The bottom line is 90% of players don't enjoy being f**ked around with by some sadistic psychotic administrator. And 90% of us don't plan to run our muds like the Marquis de Sade. So is arguing about the legal rights and morality of the 10% relevant? Do WE think they are entitled to some sort of social justice or community respect? > I have no problem at all with > infanticide, or just leaving a baby outside to die of the elements, for > instance, providing it is your baby. We all have these odd beliefs and opinions. I happen to think that the 37 million babies that have been murdered in the last 25 years in the US is sickening. It's a peculiar notion I hold, that is frankly beyond debate. -- --* Jon A. 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MacDougall <a href="mailto:geoffrey#poptronik,com">geoffrey#poptronik,com</a>, Thu 20 Jan 2000, 05:59 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00198" HREF="msg00198.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 21 Jan 2000, 03:52 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00203" HREF="msg00203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 21 Jan 2000, 04:51 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00205" HREF="msg00205.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 21 Jan 2000, 06:37 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00208" HREF="msg00208.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 21 Jan 2000, 07:16 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00215" HREF="msg00215.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 22 Jan 2000, 05:40 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00216" HREF="msg00216.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Sat 22 Jan 2000, 06:51 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00220" HREF="msg00220.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Community Relations</A></strong>, Geoffrey A. MacDougall <a href="mailto:geoffrey#poptronik,com">geoffrey#poptronik,com</a>, Mon 24 Jan 2000, 02:49 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>