<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Newbies --> <!--X-From-R13: Quneyrf Vhturf <puneyrf.uhturfNovtsbbg.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:51:10 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 01BF7D6C.33C5BC40.charles.hughes#bigfoot,com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, RE: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:charles.hughes#bigfoot,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00456.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00458.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00456.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00470.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00457">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00457">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00457">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>RE: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: "'<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>'" <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: RE: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Charles Hughes <<A HREF="mailto:charles.hughes#bigfoot,com">charles.hughes#bigfoot,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:37:05 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Tuesday, February 22, 2000 5:55 PM, Johan J Ingles-le Nobel [SMTP:xvf61#dial,pipex.com] wrote: > When complete newbies log onto my mud, players are not as helpful as I > like, for a variety of reasons. ... > if I might prod your collective wisdom... > > Have others experienced this phenomenon, and how did they deal with it? I, as a player, with no imm powers whatsoever and no control over the MUD, provided help to newbies. I did this when I wasn't busy regardless of the level of the character I was playing. Why? I remembered how I was helped out when I first started and how having a lot of information from long-time players helped me do things no newbie can do. It was payback in one way, but I also liked playing that way. I consider it fun to actually help people without reward, so long as they aren't jerks. I've even killed off a few to teach them a lesson about being a jerk AND I've helped some of those same jerks become nicer players. (Some quit, and to that I can only say good riddance.) How can you increase it in your game? Build it in. In the mud I was playing, in order to become an imm you had to help low level characters gain levels. You needed to lead them around, presumably teaching them the ropes, and earn them 100-200 levels. That's a long time no matter what, so players were willing to help the newbies to help themselves. I never reached the point where I was willing to immort a character, but I spent far more time helping newbies than it would have taken someone to immort. A newbie channel isn't enough, and anything less than an average population of 5 in newbie areas isn't enough either unless you have a chat channel. (Why 5? Because 1 is just passing through, 2-3 are usually chatting with each other or arranging a group, 4 is the same as 2-3 & 1, and 5 - that magical 5th person, is someone just hanging out a little bored and willing to help a newbie. :) Without knowing more about your MUD, it would be difficult to make any suggestions. _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00456.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00458.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Next gen MUD wishlist</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00456.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00470.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00457"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00457"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00467" HREF="msg00467.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Thu 24 Feb 2000, 17:20 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00469" HREF="msg00469.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></strong>, MichelleThompson <a href="mailto:m.a.thompson#mindspring,com">m.a.thompson#mindspring,com</a>, Fri 25 Feb 2000, 01:48 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00468" HREF="msg00468.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></strong>, Richard Ross <a href="mailto:rross#rross,eurobell.co.uk">rross#rross,eurobell.co.uk</a>, Thu 24 Feb 2000, 17:20 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00456" HREF="msg00456.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></strong>, Geoffrey A. MacDougall <a href="mailto:geoffrey#poptronik,com">geoffrey#poptronik,com</a>, Tue 22 Feb 2000, 23:58 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00457" HREF="msg00457.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></strong>, Charles Hughes <a href="mailto:charles.hughes#bigfoot,com">charles.hughes#bigfoot,com</a>, Wed 23 Feb 2000, 00:51 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00470" HREF="msg00470.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 25 Feb 2000, 05:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00472" HREF="msg00472.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></strong>, MichelleThompson <a href="mailto:m.a.thompson#mindspring,com">m.a.thompson#mindspring,com</a>, Fri 25 Feb 2000, 07:32 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00474" HREF="msg00474.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></strong>, Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt <a href="mailto:hhs#cbs,dtu.dk">hhs#cbs,dtu.dk</a>, Fri 25 Feb 2000, 20:48 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00473" HREF="msg00473.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Newbies</A></strong>, David Bennett <a href="mailto:ddt#discworld,imaginary.com">ddt#discworld,imaginary.com</a>, Fri 25 Feb 2000, 20:48 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>