<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI? --> <!--X-From-R13: Uert [vyyre <tzvyyreNpynffvp-tnzrf.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:55:20 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 37E74631.6E45BDF5@classic-games.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: A538153C8E25D11192FA00805F15959501D3D440#jethro,maxis.com --> <!--X-Reference: 37D98692.4B92F4AC#kolumbus,fi --> <!--X-Reference: 4.1.19990913132255.00aa98a0#pop,darklock.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00438.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00453.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00279.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00462.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00437">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00437">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00437">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Greg Miller <<A HREF="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:47:45 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > > On 03:02 AM 9/11/1999 -0500, I personally witnessed Greg Miller jumping up > to say: > >Solmyr of the Azure Star wrote: > >> murders. Which is what I think pking should be - in-character. > > > >And why is that? Role-playing is simply not fun for most mud players. > > Ever try to play D&D by yourself? I don't see the connection. Yes, muds and D&D involve social interaction normally--but since when does social interaction require role-playing? > > Speaking from my own experience, roleplaying is a *cooperative* exercise, > and if the rest of the players don't *cooperate* then roleplaying is not > fun. When you step into a room on a MUD and say "What ho, my good men! How > go things?" and they respond "What level are you?", that ruins the fun. For me, some of the fun would be ruined when you started off with "what ho"... I prefer to be able to socialize directly with the other players. That seems to be extremely common. > ruins the fun. When roleplaying is worthless in the game, then it is not > fun. And when nobody else is roleplaying, then roleplaying is worthless; > all it does is make you an outcast and a weirdo. And why does this happen? Because most people don't roleplay. I believe that, in turn, stems from the fact that they simply don't find it fun. I can't speak for why that is for them, but for me it's because playing a character means I don't make friends with the other players--to do so would be acting in an OOC manner. > There is no BENEFIT to roleplay except that it is FUN. And when nobody And here we have a key problem. Getting back to the subject of player punishment, a role-play based solution only works if either [1] people are cooperating and you never had a problem to begin with or [2] you fall back to a brute force "behave or I delete you" system. Roleplay has no benefits normally for people who don't enjoy it, and few seem to enjoy it. -- <A HREF="http://www.classic-games.com/">http://www.classic-games.com/</A> Conspiracy theorists mistakenly assume others think before acting. *** Please limit .sigs to four lines and avoid HTML mail or posts. *** _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00503" HREF="msg00503.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Travis Casey <efindel#io,com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00497" HREF="msg00497.html">[MUD-Dev] Peer pressure and cooperation</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Miroslav Silovic 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<BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>RE: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00248" HREF="msg00248.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Sellers, Michael <a href="mailto:MSellers#maxis,com">MSellers#maxis,com</a>, Fri 10 Sep 1999, 18:35 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00257" HREF="msg00257.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Solmyr of the Azure Star <a href="mailto:solmyr#kolumbus,fi">solmyr#kolumbus,fi</a>, Fri 10 Sep 1999, 22:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00278" HREF="msg00278.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Mon 13 Sep 1999, 17:54 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00279" HREF="msg00279.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Mon 13 Sep 1999, 20:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00437" HREF="msg00437.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Tue 21 Sep 1999, 23:55 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00462" HREF="msg00462.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Wed 22 Sep 1999, 18:08 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00471" HREF="msg00471.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Thu 23 Sep 1999, 05:38 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00477" HREF="msg00477.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Fri 24 Sep 1999, 00:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00487" HREF="msg00487.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Laurel Fan <a href="mailto:lf25+@andrew.cmu.edu">lf25+@andrew.cmu.edu</a>, Fri 24 Sep 1999, 03:21 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>