<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation? --> <!--X-From-R13: "Ybfgre, Dncu" <exbfgreNbevtva.rn.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:38:34 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 11A17AA2B9EAD111BCEA00A0C9B417930210C723#molach,origin.ea.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, RE: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00009.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00011.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00035.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00011.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00010">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00010">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00010">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>RE: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: "'<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>'" <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: RE: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Koster, Raph" <<A HREF="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:31:00 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> > -----Original Message----- > From: AR Schleicher [<A HREF="mailto:ars#nwu,edu">mailto:ars#nwu,edu</A>] > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 7:20 PM > To: mud-dev#kanga,nu > Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation? > > > At 06:08 PM 7/20/99 -0500, Koster, Raph wrote: > > >The basic initial tool is memory snooping to alter > client-side memory. This > >is easily done by running your client within a process that > is acting as a > >debugger. If you're foolish enough to trust the client, > there's quite a lot > >that can be done here. We didn't trust the client, so all > they can do is > >change the local appearance of things on their screen. > > Just to clear things up here, this should really be: "We trusted the > client at first, but realized how foolish this was, and have > since stopped > trusting it.", or "We don't trust the client anymore, ..." > UO has improved > quite a bit as time has gone by. Well, we went into it with the mindset of "we don't trust the client." But it is frighteningly easy to slip up. :) _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00009.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00011.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00035.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00011.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00010"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00010"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00083" HREF="msg00083.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></strong>, Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Mon 09 Aug 1999, 16:58 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00084" HREF="msg00084.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Tue 10 Aug 1999, 10:13 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00022" HREF="msg00022.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></strong>, Timothy O'Neill Dang <a href="mailto:timothy#nmia,com">timothy#nmia,com</a>, Thu 22 Jul 1999, 21:00 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00035" HREF="msg00035.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 23 Jul 1999, 01:02 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00010" HREF="msg00010.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Wed 21 Jul 1999, 14:38 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00011" HREF="msg00011.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></strong>, Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Wed 21 Jul 1999, 16:28 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00013" HREF="msg00013.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Thu 22 Jul 1999, 00:55 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00078" HREF="msg00078.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Tue 03 Aug 1999, 00:27 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00079" HREF="msg00079.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Containing automation?</A></strong>, Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Tue 03 Aug 1999, 16:27 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>