<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI? --> <!--X-From-R13: [nggurj [vunyl <qvnoybNorfg.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:09:42 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.BSF.4.10.9909101446350.10594-100000#shell9,ba.best.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 37D90B55.87A27482#kolumbus,fi --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:diablo#best,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00254.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00256.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00247.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00258.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00255">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00255">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00255">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Matthew Mihaly <<A HREF="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:50:26 -0700 (PDT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Solmyr of the Azure Star wrote: > "Sellers, Michael" wrote: > > > > So the question becomes, how can you acknowledge pkilling and include it as > > *one* component of the game without having it choke out everything else? My > > answer thus far has been to make sure that pkilling is not the fastest, most > > attractive method for a player to achieve their goal; make sure it carries > > relevant, meaningful risks and costs; and make sure that players can compete > > with each other in other (often less lethal) ways. I'm interested in what > > answers others come up with too -- beyond just "hey, it's a violent game." > > > Personally, I like the way pkilling is handled on Threshold. In it, > pkilling is technically allowed (except killing of newbies/lowbies which > is forbidden), but doing so is in most cases considered murder and if > caught, the killer will be prosecuted by the game's in-character justice > system, with various possible penalties. My problem with that is that generally there is no way to one-up the justice system. Fantasy muds generally take as their model some sort very fictionalized medieval or classical setting. In these time periods, there was never any sort of over-arching justice system that was particularly effective. It was easy to get away with murder, etc. I guess I don't see why a justice system would be at all effective in the wilderness where there are no witnesses, for instance. --matt _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00260" HREF="msg00260.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Solmyr of the Azure Star <solmyr#kolumbus,fi></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00258" HREF="msg00258.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Adam Wiggins <adam#angel,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00247" HREF="msg00247.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Solmyr of the Azure Star <solmyr#kolumbus,fi></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00254.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00256.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00247.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00258.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00255"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00255"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00289" HREF="msg00289.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Dundee <a href="mailto:SkeptAck#antisocial,com">SkeptAck#antisocial,com</a>, Mon 13 Sep 1999, 22:21 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00453" HREF="msg00453.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Tue 21 Sep 1999, 23:55 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00236" HREF="msg00236.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Sellers, Michael <a href="mailto:MSellers#maxis,com">MSellers#maxis,com</a>, Thu 09 Sep 1999, 20:29 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00247" HREF="msg00247.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Solmyr of the Azure Star <a href="mailto:solmyr#kolumbus,fi">solmyr#kolumbus,fi</a>, Fri 10 Sep 1999, 17:21 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00255" HREF="msg00255.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 10 Sep 1999, 22:09 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00258" HREF="msg00258.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Fri 10 Sep 1999, 22:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00264" HREF="msg00264.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Sat 11 Sep 1999, 00:34 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00269" HREF="msg00269.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Sat 11 Sep 1999, 02:29 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00272" HREF="msg00272.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Mon 13 Sep 1999, 17:51 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>