<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players --> <!--X-From-R13: "Brgev Hvexxhyn" <civexxhyNvxv.sv> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:18:27 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 14306.59474.717644.505640#arioch,tky.hut.fi --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.SGI.3.96.990916170222.11452J-100000#zazu,angel.com --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.BSF.4.10.9909162020560.23127-100000#shell9,ba.best.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:pvirkkul#iki,fi"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00390.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00393.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00367.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00407.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00392">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00392">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00392">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Petri Virkkula" <<A HREF="mailto:pvirkkul#iki,fi">pvirkkul#iki,fi</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 04:18:10 +0300 (EEST)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> >>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Mihaly <diablo#best,com> writes: Matthew> thriving with thousands of players on simultaneously. We've gone from Matthew> peaking at 40 last year to peaking at 100 this year, and we're Matthew> growing. We're not even putting any real effort into advertising (not While I was calculating BatMUD's statistics for first half of 1999 I started thinking how to measure success of a mud. The thinking was triggered by the statistics report I wrote and that is also included below. My interpretation of our statistics was that our players play more that they used to be, but at the same time the player base smaller than it used to be. The questions that I thought about (and almost sent to the list) were something like: - is peak or average online players a good meter for a mud - which is better, growing peak player count or longer play times - is it enought that existing players like the mud, or should we seek (actively) for new players I did not find any definitive answers to the questions. Have others thought that kind of questions? Especially the fact the drop in new players has worried me. BatMUD has never claimed to be newbie friendly and never will claim it. Our responsivity to user requests like lost passwords has always too low (and lately it has even lower). The following actions have already been done, or being done right now to correct the situation: 1) create new WWW pages with new and consistent look This project is still being done. New page layout (subject to change ) can be seen at <URL:<A HREF="http://www.bat.org:8002/">http://www.bat.org:8002/</A>>, old pages are at <URL:<A HREF="http://www.bat.org/">http://www.bat.org/</A>>. The new pages are a bit slow because they are dynamically generated, but that will change as soon as they are ready (the pages will be moved to another faster machine). Most of the work so far has been concentrated on a system that generates the pages dynamically and uses a template. The system is atleast ready, but the content for the pages is waiting for the user authentication system mentioned below in 2). 2) Share mud's passwords with WWW pages Our wizards have (almost) full shell access to their code. The access is controlled by their mud passwords that are copied regularily (once in three hours) from mud password files to other machine. I am slowly making a separate authentication server that will be used by the mud, WWW pages and the wizards' shell access. The idea is to give players the possibility to change their password in WWW pages. They could also add a verification question and answer that is common in other WWW services in case of lost password. 3) Add support for community of BatMUD's players Currently there are lots BatMUD related WWW pages written by players. The only way to get to the pages is to use a search engine. The goal is to have link list maintained by players. The system is not ready yet, but a glimpse what kind of information can be seen at (username: guest, password: guest). <URL:<A HREF="http://www.bat.org:8002/Links/submit.html">http://www.bat.org:8002/Links/submit.html</A>> Implementation of this feature waits for the authentication system described above in 2). Simirarily the intention is to give support players to describe our map of our wilderness. Our current map is at <URL:<A HREF="http://www.bat.org/Batmud/batmap.html">http://www.bat.org/Batmud/batmap.html</A>> while map (based on older map of wilderness) maintained by players is e.g. at <URL:<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/9884/bigmap.htm">http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/9884/bigmap.htm</A>> (My philosophy is that we as game administrators must not tell everything to players, but we can assist players to help each others for example with (sometimes wrong) information they have gathered by playing the mud.) 4) Registration of BATMUD.NET, BATMUD.ORG and BATMUD.COM domains So far we have only owned BAT.ORG domain. As above three domains were free it was decided to register all of them though no decision has been made how to use them (except BATMUD.NET). We have allowed years our players to receive (not send) mail in the mud with addresses like player.<charname>@bat.org. Format of the address is now simplified to <charname>@batmud.net. Perhaps we will even advertise this possibility more actively among the players. One possibility could be an added support for mail reading through WWW pages (as soon as the authentication system is ready) in the future. Other things are also being done, above list is just an example. The intention is to give more services to players, make few support routines more automatic, and give players more responsibility for WWW pages. Petri --- cut here --- Summary ======= Statistics of BatMUD are shown in the tables below for the first of years 1998 and 1999, and comparison between them. According to the statistics there has been 12764 players who have atleast once visited the mud during the first six months of the year 1999. This number is 2404 (or 16%) lower than it used to be last year during similar time period. Also all other player counts are significantly lower during the year 1999 when comparing with the year 1998. Our players are however more dedicated than they used to be, or they just idle more. Average session length and daily play times are bigger than they used to be resulting also raise in average online players. Averages ======== 1-6/1999 1-6/1998 +/- +/- % ----------------------------------------------------- Sessions 775620 895280 -119660 -13% Characters 12764 15168 -2404 -16% Guests 23833 24811 -978 -4% Avg. Sessions/character 21 22 -1 -5% Avg. Sessions/day 4286 4947 -661 -13% Avg. Session 01:01:01 00:48:26 +00:12:35 +26% Avg. Daily Playtime 00:20:29 00:15:47 +00:04:42 +30% Avg. Online Characters 181 166 +15 +9% Average Daily Characters ======================== 1999 1998 +/- +/- % ----------------------------------------------------- January-June 1319 1406 -87 -6% January 1354 1500 -146 -8% February 1393 1486 -93 -6% March 1288 1515 -227 -15% April 1420 1452 -32 -2% May 1331 1315 +16 +1% June 1131 1166 -35 -3% New Characters ============== 1999 1998 +/- +/- % ----------------------------------------------------- Total January-June 4053 5818 -1765 -30% January 596 1135 -539 -47% February 780 965 -185 -19% March 600 1078 -478 -44% April 730 939 -209 -22% May 759 877 -118 -13% June 588 824 -236 -29% --- cut here --- _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00407" HREF="msg00407.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Matthew Mihaly <diablo#best,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00349" HREF="msg00349.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Adam Wiggins <adam#angel,com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00367" HREF="msg00367.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Matthew Mihaly <diablo#best,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00390.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] an essay on PK</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00393.html">[MUD-Dev] META: MUD-Dev visibility</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00367.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00407.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00392"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00392"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00343" HREF="msg00343.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></strong>, Mik Clarke <a href="mailto:mikclrk#ibm,net">mikclrk#ibm,net</a>, Thu 16 Sep 1999, 22:38 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00342" HREF="msg00342.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></strong>, Dundee <a href="mailto:SkeptAck#antisocial,com">SkeptAck#antisocial,com</a>, Thu 16 Sep 1999, 22:39 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00349" HREF="msg00349.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Fri 17 Sep 1999, 02:11 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00367" HREF="msg00367.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 17 Sep 1999, 17:48 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00392" HREF="msg00392.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></strong>, Petri Virkkula <a href="mailto:pvirkkul#iki,fi">pvirkkul#iki,fi</a>, Sat 18 Sep 1999, 01:18 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00407" HREF="msg00407.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Mon 20 Sep 1999, 01:20 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00336" HREF="msg00336.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 16 Sep 1999, 23:16 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00354" HREF="msg00354.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Fri 17 Sep 1999, 14:48 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00362" HREF="msg00362.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Attracting players</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Fri 17 Sep 1999, 17:49 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>