<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs --> <!--X-From-R13: Qnyvona Fverfvnf Rnexybpx <pnyvonaNqnexybpx.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:09:58 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 4.1.19990831121056.00a1e2d0#pop,darklock.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 23444947602376#alternaterealitynet,com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00172.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00174.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00406.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00177.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00173">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00173">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00173">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Caliban Tiresias Darklock <<A HREF="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:06:53 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 04:43 PM 8/30/1999 -0700, I personally witnessed Ilya, SCC, Game Commando jumping up to say: > >I'll bite on this one: what system do you have in mind where might >doesn't make right, or where something other than might makes right? From a combat perspective, think rock/paper/scissors: Rule 1: No attack will penetrate every defense. Rule 2: No defense will prevent every attack. Now expand on this to make it more interesting: Rule 3: For every attack or defense, there is a corresponding countermeasure which turns the effect on the opponent. No such countermeasure is universal. Rule 4: It is physically impossible to have more than a small fraction of the available offenses, defenses, or countermeasures. Now level the playing field: Rule 5: All offenses, defenses, and countermeasures are readily available and can be acquired reasonably quickly. Given this type of situation, "might" becomes very much in doubt and direct combat becomes much more iffy. (It's sort of a "purer" version of might: you *might* win.) As a result, players will be forced by the odds to locate other methods of achieving their goals. Military intelligence becomes more valuable: if you know what weapon your opponent uses, you can acquire the appropriate defense and countermeasure. Subterfuge becomes more valuable: if you can convince your opponent you use a different weapon, you can trick him into defending against the wrong thing. (Born and bred in the briar patch, Br'er Fox...) Psychological warfare is a natural consequence. It can be argued that since combat and competition are still the major measures of success, we've just redefined "might". Maybe so... but at least it's become more than just what equipment you have. ----- | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban#darklock,com | Darklock Communications <A HREF="http://www.darklock.com/">http://www.darklock.com/</A> | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00203" HREF="msg00203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Greg Miller <gmiller#classic-games,com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00177" HREF="msg00177.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Matthew Mihaly <diablo#best,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00152" HREF="msg00152.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Ilya, SCC, Game Commando" <Ilya#gamecommandos,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00172.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Game design and gender: An interesting article</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00174.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Singleton design pattern (OT?)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00406.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00177.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00173"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00173"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00161" HREF="msg00161.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Tue 31 Aug 1999, 17:05 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00192" HREF="msg00192.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Fri 03 Sep 1999, 18:17 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00202" HREF="msg00202.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></strong>, Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Sat 04 Sep 1999, 04:20 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00406" HREF="msg00406.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Mon 20 Sep 1999, 01:20 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00173" HREF="msg00173.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Tue 31 Aug 1999, 23:09 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00177" HREF="msg00177.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Wed 01 Sep 1999, 03:17 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00181" HREF="msg00181.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 01 Sep 1999, 04:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00193" HREF="msg00193.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #142 - 4 msgs</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Fri 03 Sep 1999, 18:16 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00359" HREF="msg00359.html">[MUD-Dev] Might not make right...</A></strong>, Spin <a href="mailto:spin#triode,net.au">spin#triode,net.au</a>, Fri 17 Sep 1999, 17:50 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>