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<LI><em>From</em>: Nathan F Yospe <<A HREF="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:39:34 -1000</LI>
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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote:
:On 07:48 PM 3/10/99 -0700, I personally witnessed Chris Gray jumping up to say:
:>[Petri Virkkula:]
:> > I would probably go for multiple IP-addresses and multiple
:> > accepting servers. For example, hostname mud.dom.ain might
:>The problem with that is that then the clients have to connect to one
:>of those 10 ports. You might manage that if you have a special client
:>that has a decent algorithm to balance the use, but if you rely on
:>humans to do it, it won't work - most will use the first one all the
:>time. There isn't any way to know which port is the least busy.
:I've considered this sort of thing myself, and the only way I could think
:of to do it would be to have a UDP connection on a port that checked the
:load and told the client "Use port X" based on who was connected where. The
:client would then make a TCP connect to the provided port. After
:considering it, I thought it would probably be BETTER if your TCP
:connection could send some notification to MOVE to some other port, and
:then the client could connect to that other port and drop the old
:connection based on existing load -- that way if processes 2 and 3 are
:congested and you're on process 1, when process 1 fills up but 2 and 3 get
:some disconnects, you could be shuffled to a lower load process. Basically,
:under that model, you could tell the client where to connect every time and
:then no matter WHAT port the human connects to he'll end up on the
:best-case process.
:Since I detest dedicated clients, I decided not to do this, but it was the
:best I could come up with under the circumstances. You wouldn't need to do
:the IP thing this way; just take connects, and when a process is overloaded
:tell the client to go somewhere else. I would also have a protocol for
:handshaking, where it goes something like this:
Hey, thanks! I *love* it. I'd not even considered the problem myself... there
was no need to with the current state of unreadiness... but in hindsight,
this is brilliant. Of course, I have none of your qualms about a dedicated
client...
Perhaps a few minor alterations:
In the preferences, a default server and port... perhaps linked to the game,
with a reset default configuration for a host-server that provides a list of
known games that support the client and sets the default to a chosen game; I
can always make that more robust. The client should be able to make two or
more connections... I'm still mulling on that.
{connector 1}
connect [<server_ip1>|<server_dn1>] <port1>
>SERV ID=<id1>
<CONREQ
>TRANS [<server_ip2>] <port2>
<TRYING
{connector 2}
connect [<server_ip2>] <port2>
>SERV ID=<id2>
<CONREQ
>OK CLIENT ID=<id3>
<CONFIRM SERV ID=<id2> CLIENT ID=<id3>
{connector 1}
<SUCCESS
>OK BYE
{connector 2}
. . .
This should help with error handling and process management.
:The obvious extension to this is to manage distributed machines.
Yes; and possibly to use this to pass clients to remote servers when
their character has been transfered as well. (I use a "geographical"
mapping of location to server-space. This would work quite well for
me.)
:Um, that's about all for the moment. Maybe this will help someone ;)
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00516" HREF="msg00516.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] How to support 1000+ simultaneous connections, and some philosophy.</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Wed 10 Mar 1999, 14:47 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00525" HREF="msg00525.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] How to support 1000+ simultaneous connections, and some philosophy.</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00521" HREF="msg00521.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] How to support 1000+ simultaneous connections, and some philosophy.</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00522" HREF="msg00522.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] How to support 1000+ simultaneous connections, and some philosophy.</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 11 Mar 1999, 03:13 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00533" HREF="msg00533.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] How to support 1000+ simultaneous connections, andsome philosophy.</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00540" HREF="msg00540.html">[MUD-Dev] Multiple clients (was Re: How to support 1000+ simultaneous connections)</A></strong>,
Matthew D. Fuller <a href="mailto:fullermd#futuresouth,com">fullermd#futuresouth,com</a>, Fri 12 Mar 1999, 02:21 GMT
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